LebGeeks

rolf

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Re: ADSL in 2006

Btw, I am a CCNA + CIPT + CCAI (Cisco Certified Academy Instructor, a person who trains people to become CCNA).

how much time didi it take you?

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Oh I know globalproof, that's what all the cable providers use.
So you're in lebanon? Enjoying it?
BTW do globalproof have anything interesting for home/small businesse?

teodorgeorgiev

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Re: ADSL in 2006

Did take what ?

The CCNA?

Well, my story is too different. I was working with Cisco for about 3 years... Without any certificate. Then the ISP manager told me one day: "Teodor, why don't you go and apply for the CCNA. We must have someone with a paper, I know it does not mean too much for anyone here, but for the big customers it does mean something".

So, I just spent 2-3 days reading on the Cisco exam and went through (967 points of 1000 for 22minutes).

Indeed, it takes about 9 months to "produce" a real CCNA.
But a lot of people take their CCNA exams by using "braindumps".
You can see on the Cisco forum how I answer to stupid questions given even by CCIEs... The certificate indeeds, gives a little.

At my courses, I saw many people who were coming to take CCNA just because they have heard that with CCNA you might go for a job in USA and Canada... When I was telling them the truth, that the CCNA certificate does NOT give a job, it is the knowlegde behind the certificated that does indeed give the job, 1/3 of those people stopped to attend the "classes".

Other people attend the classes just because they were sent by their managers so they have good time escaping their workplace.

At the end, if you find 3 people in the whole class, who have come to really  with the intention to learn, you are happy... ...

Yes, I am at GlobalProof, but they fire me on each 10 minutes... Ask the guy with the 10 years marketing experience, why

Yes, GlobalProof does have, though we avoid selling directly to home customers :(

What we prepare now are real static IPs at much cheaper price, than others (what IDM and others do is a robbery)...

That is my personal opinion of course, not of the company...

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

I'm personally looking for a job that would make me travel... maybe with a big ISP?
I have no papers at all, still preparing my Bachelor degree. But I have good knowledge in networking including Linux.

As for your services is it possible to get 2 way internet for a small business under 300$?

Thanks 

vegeta

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Re: ADSL in 2006

chou baddak fi man,kezzeb mich cheyef?
Ana kamena finé ekhod esm ma3rouf men google ou a3mel halé aflaton.
Kil chi baddo ya3mel anno baddo y defe3 a3n cherkto el haramiyé virtual isp,ou a3m bi jenn la anno IDM arkhass menno :)
Ma ta3ti wej,heyda walad a3m y stelemak

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

I had a little discussion with my idm 128k distributor
ADSL will be available in Beirut beginning 1st November 2005
He signed a contract with ogero
Connection speed will be a standart 2mb/s !!! means 256kb/s download,16x more than the actual 128k connection
BUT YOU NEED 4 clients per building for seting up because it will cost them 600$ of hardware per building ,I didn't understood if it will be an adsl to network card adapter or not(adsl modems are very costy)

What is this "per building" BS? ADSL does not work like this: you have a phone line and the phone company switches it to digital and gives you an ADSL modem. It has nothing to do with the building.

rolf

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Re: ADSL in 2006

chou baddak fi man,kezzeb mich cheyef?
Ana kamena finé ekhod esm ma3rouf men google ou a3mel halé aflaton.
Kil chi baddo ya3mel anno baddo y defe3 a3n cherkto el haramiyé virtual isp,ou a3m bi jenn la anno IDM arkhass menno :)
Ma ta3ti wej,heyda walad a3m y stelemak

VISP have about 4000 IPs
IDM have 35000 IPs

vegeta

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Wifi also should work without...wires,but here in Lebanon isps talked about giving you wifi connection via cables! 1 year after they changed the name into broadband :)
Now what they are trying to do per building is to permut adsl signal into lan cables,it's not so bad because you will save some bucks on adsl modem(100$).
I talked to visp and they are doing the same thing but much more priced.
If you have already a ''broadband'' connection ,just talk to the guy responsible of the cables,he will be the better one to give you the idm adsl

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Now what they are trying to do per building is to permut adsl signal into lan cables

My god when are they going to do something properly in this country?

Bass dear vegeta something does not stick... you said 600$ per building? For what? I mean if the modem costs 100$ and a switch 40$, what is the rest for?

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Rolf, if we are talking about DSL here, calculate also the phone line between the ISP and the building.

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Also, Rolf,

I will suggest you to try first with a small ISP/company (for a job).
The large ISPs do not hire people without a lot of experience. Even if you have a lot of knowledge, but without experience, they will hire you
as 24-hour support (or something similar) and there is almost no chance for you to grow up (unless some other engineer from the company leaves his job).

You know, it is the same like in the army - you can not grow suddenly from a soldier to a colonel. You have first to become a corporal, then a sergeant, lieutenant, captain ... ...

That's my advice for you, I can't say it is 100% correct, it is just an advice/opinion. 100 people - 100 different opinions.

With the other person, I do not want to waste my time in answering him.

vegeta

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Re: ADSL in 2006

rouh ya kbir enta,mebyan ano keyn a3nde hak,ma fi cherké eblet fik ad ma fechel,chater tkater haké ou ta3mel halak mhem la anno nezel emak bil google,min ma keyn y koun bi nazel esmo bi forums ou bi sir esmo bi google,ma fi aya chatara

naregkar

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

calculate also the phone line between the ISP and the building.

Excuse me, but how will this "phone line" be installed?

rolf

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Re: ADSL in 2006

calculate also the phone line between the ISP and the building.

Excuse me, but how will this "phone line" be installed?

He probably means the price of converting an existing phone line to digital.
I always thought it was a costless operation but I am no specialist.

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

No guys.

Indeed, the ADSL is installed over an usual copper wire pair, the same used for placing phone lines.

In most of the countries, the same existing phone line is used for the ADSL link. The local PTT installs a "splitter" which makes it possible to use the same like for phone conversation + the ADSL link.

In Lebanon (for good or bad, in my opinion - good), Ogero places a separate copper pair between the ISP and the customer over which the ADSL is running, a dedicated one. If someone really insist, I can explain why this is better (in my opinion), rather than installing a splitter.

I am a bit tired to write now :)

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

teodoro in all other countries of the world adsl is installed over your phone line with a splitter. They must have good reasons to do that, right?

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Rolf,

no offense, but...

I said in "most", you are saying "in all over the world".

Are you really sure in your words?

I do not want to start a war, but when someone speaks, he must protect his words... I am tired of "empty words". I am mainly a tech, that is why :)

Yes, in most of the countries, it is really so. In some, though - not.

As you know, in most of the countries the car rule is on the left side.
In some, though (England, Cyprus, Malta, Japan, Australia - not sure), the car's rule is on the right side. I am sure, if you ask any of the sides, they will give you a good reason :)

Most of the countries use the existing phone line, because:
1. they can not afford to put a separate line, maybe the underground pipes are already full and it will become a mess to start digging the streets once again.
2. It requires less efforts to install the link on the same line, rather than on a separate line.

From other point of view:

Splitters sometimes can cause really a mess. If improperly installed, the connection can go down when you start a conversation over your phone line, or when you finish a conversation. Some splitters with bad quality can create noise which if unpleasant for the  voice, can become an obstacle when sending a fax at a high rate (9600) through this line.

Also, Ogero have about 4 million of free lines under the buildings and streets. They want to sell them :)
Maybe that is the other reason.

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

ok, "most", whatever.

jalal

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Re: ADSL in 2006

in france REAL 10 MB ADSL : btes7ab mega bi senye only about 25 euro aww 2a2all with TV... and telephone illimite . i think u know the offer ... 20 mb 6 MB go for the TV and the other for the internet but conenction opens 9972 MB (1247 KB/S > 1 mb /sec) ... waiting to see here ... LOL !!!

vegeta

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Re: ADSL in 2006

I will call today the IDM distributor to have confirmation of the specs and prices.
The suspens is killing me !!

vegeta

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

BAD news everyone
ADSL is not coming out now but in ending December
The only good thing is that they will revise their offers :)

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Vegeta, the bad news are not for everyone.
They are for "toz" like you, for which I will do my best to never appear in VISP customer's list.

The issue is... IDM and others just do not have the technical knowledge and experience to install the DSL (not only, but including). For us it took less than month with all the quality and stress tests to run the ADSL.

Now we have ordered yet another 240 ports, because we are out of capacity. And we will order maybe many many times by 240 :)
So where is the bad news? ADSL is spreading out 8)

And I will recommend you to keep staying with IDM.
Villagers (yes, YOU!) must sit in the village. The polite and gentle people - in the cities.

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Of course, this is my personal opinion, not of the company that have employed me!

naregkar

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Re: ADSL in 2006

Although I'm not the administrator of this site nor a moderator but teodorgeorgiev, I guess it seems that you have not read the Registration Agreement Terms.

Check them here.

Precisely this one:

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws.

I know it is not my duty to judge replies' contents but me, along with others, started not to tolerate your thoughts and ideas.

Sorry for this offensive post.

teodorgeorgiev

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Re: ADSL in 2006

Where have you been when Vegeta started with the "bad words" ?
You do not have the right to judge my words (or any). Only people who behave independently and judge equally do have.

Or you are like the USA democracy - "terrorist are those who are not supported by us". Those who are authorized by us to kill are not to be counted as terrorists.

rolf

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Re: ADSL in 2006

teodor I think you have broken forum rules by insulting vegeta. We dont care about your crappy "VISP" company which has not even a website. IDM is the biggest ISP in lebanon and I'll cut my balls if they "dont have the knowledge to install ADSL"

The only way your little company (if you really work there) can take a share of the ADSL market is by having a wasta with the gouvernement, and I can smell it from here.

Drop the attitude, please.

And do you work at Globalproof or VISP ?