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The amd 3000+ and 3800+ (939 pins) share the same same core, but one runs at 1800 mhz, while the other runs at 2400 mhz.
It seems on this page that they had no trouble at all OCing the 3000+ to 2500mhz! that's performance higher than the 3800+ and equivalent to the pentium4 E 4.0 Ghz!

http://www.digital-daily.com/cpu/amd-athlon64-winchester/index03.htm

pcandparts is offering is offering the "AMD Athlon 3000XP+ -939PIN- 64Bit + MSI K8N NEO4 w/GB Lan+7.1 audio+SATA&PCI Express" at $319. This board has very good review, and is capable of more OC than we need. Now the trick is to find DDR ram capable of supporting 500mhz and + so that we can OC the CPU at 1:1.

I was thinking of adding a GF 6600 PCX, but I dont know which one, there are 5 of em on pcandparts from 170 to 210 $.

That'll be great performance for the price, dont you think?
Rolf concerning the 6600 , I dont see any GT versions of it on pcandparts. Also it doesnt support ddr2 :( which is annoying (since for future upgrade ddr2 can really boost the performance).Btw Rolf why dont u wait for the dual core release then prices would drop dramatically.
you guys really know your stuff :P I know computers, heck I even took computer science at bac level but I have yet to build my own pc which I guess should get me knowing more about what I'm building etc.
i second darkstar and add the following: dualcore and 64bit
i dont know about the dualcores, but if you want to buy a pc now this seems the best option, you get p4 4.0 performance at half the price.

As for ddr2, are you talking about the mainboard? Well for the mainboard I thought it would make a difference but you can see the benchmarks in the link I provided in the 1st post, and it doesnt seem to make any difference at all.
Check out the gaming benchmarks, not the synthetic ones, like the farcry bench.

I am not experts in video cards. The 6600 is a personal choice, based on value. I cant afford a 400$ ultra.

I am not trying to have the best performance here but the best value.

So you think I should wait?
Rolf , the 6600 and 6600 gt have like a 20-30$ difference(if i recall properly) , but the performance of the 6600GT is amazing compared to 6600 , the 6600 is underclocked compared to GT version . The GT also delivers more Bandwidth :D.

Rolf, I would agree on waiting just a little bit more.
tab any idea where I could get a 6600GT?
karim that would be kind of expensive imo , since shipping costs more than expected, Rolf if i were u i would email pcandparts and ask them if they plan to get GT version
bugger! This mobo is out of stock, I'll have to buy something else (waiting is not an option)
hehe i like "waiting is not an option" :P
btw quantum has the cpu 3000+ 939 at 180$ but he only has the asus a8n SLI board, which costs 220$!
Looks like I'll have to go intel once again.

BTW he also has a 6600 GT but is selling it at 270$. So much for the 40$ difference.
Rolf , i only say something when i know its correct and yes i've checked 6600gt vs 6600 prices and the range was 30-40$ . Too bad if in lebanon they just want to boost the price , its not my problem . btw getting a 6600gt(128mb version ofcourse) for over 200$ is a rip-of ...sorry for any misunderstanding
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btw quantum has the cpu 3000+ 939 at 180$ but he only has the asus a8n SLI board, which costs 220$!
Looks like I'll have to go intel once again.
BTW he also has a 6600 GT but is selling it at 270$. So much for the 40$ difference.
Thanks for the link about the O/C
i bought AMD64 3000+ 939(Winchester not newscastle or the newer venice with SSE3)+Asus a8n SLI from quantum and it is performing very good under windows x64.. i didn't try o/c seriously yet coz it is new i only played with asus automatic o/c and nvidia ntune( was able to hit 2000 mhz without increasing the voltage or playing with the mem, but i am sure i can hit 2200 mhz and if lucky 2400 mhz) (my system has 2 additionals case fans )
The 6600Gt is way to much at 270$ and the 6800GT is over 500$ so i bought a 6600 :( even thought the 6600gt is way faster coz it uses GDDr3 clocked at 1 GHz and 6600 uses only normal ddr memery clocked at 500mhz :?
By the way, i emailed pcnandparts.com 2 or 3 weeks ago about the 939 pin amd processor , my email was:
When will you get a Athlon64 socket939 processor? coz the motherboard Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe Nforce4 you sell can only support 939pin processor?
Have another question is the AMD Athlon64 3200+ part number a-9 is a scoket 939?
Best regards
they replied
Dear Mr.
AMD Athlon64 3200 is not a 939-pin processor
The 3500XP+ is a 939PIN processor.

If you have any comments or questions feel free to contact us .

Thank You.
Best Regards.
Computer Parts.
www.PcAndParts.Com
Even though they were saying that amd64 3200+ is 939 pin on their price page, check the Athlon processors price not the cpu+mobo etc..
so they confused me..maybe they won't sell the amd64 3200+ 939 without a mobo??!! :? so plz check with them and email them with questions and details b4 buying..

And the MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum is an excellent choice with sata2 but doesn't support SLI so i bought asus a8sli with have the same features with SLI but without sata2 only sata1 :)
This system made me broke so no social life for me for a time :p
and ah ddr2 is a tech for the future u can't take full advantage from them now, but it is a matter of time and they will be standards..only the latest intel support them as you know
PS: i accept donations BTW :D :P
I thought pcandparts had the 3000+ 939... But anyway quantum told me he "should have it" :?
Your board is exellent but too expensive for me! BTW how's that sound on your board?
Yeah go ahead you may be able to push it to 2400, but it all depends on the RAM here.

Too bad the MSI is out of stock for now. but I'll get myself one as soon as they're available.

Dont worry about sata2, it wont make a difference in speed before a couple of years minimum..

And sorry for your social life :)
sound is realtek alc850 8 channel the same one on msi, good with eax2 support but not as good as audigyzs2 or creative live!
I bought the last Amd64 3000+ from quantum available in stock for 176$ but had to wait 2 weeks for the mobo..
dual core is not that good for gaming but only for multitasking..
A amd64 x2 4800+ is really 2 amd64 at 3500+ speed but u only get 3500+ speed in games, so an amd64 3800+ or 4000+ and even an FX is faster in games for now until we see multitasking in games..
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dual core is not that good for gaming but only for multitasking
Its because games do not handle such type of processing. But when they get compatible, the game creators can make better graphical stuff with better compression.
Its because games do not handle such type of processing. But when they get compatible, the game creators can make better graphical stuff with better compression.
Of course, you are right, i meant for now :) or until nvidia gives us multi-threaded vga drivers :lol:
but what do u mean by better compression? dual core will give better performance to applications that support it..
Actually, for example the textures used in all games like Quake and the rest, are all what we call compressed textures. During the game the 3d engine decrypt them and inflate them and sets the images. The 64 bit or duals are really tough in this first because they can double the speed of inflating and they have faster fps calculations,
Ah i c what do u mean :D
Meanwhile most of the decompression is done by the GPU, the rest by the CPU, so it makes sense what u are saying 8)