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silo_m8

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

It's time for ATI to make a move, if they can propose 1080ti or 2080 performances for 500-600$ they will destroy nvidia.
I love gaming but nvidia is way too overpricing their new gen cards, add to that you have to buy a new i7 and PSU to follow with the power requirement to no get a bottleneck
This is the 1st time I consider getting a PS5 if it goes out soon, I have been a PC gamer for the last 7 years but paying 1000$ for GPU alone every 2 years is way too much

No need to pay top dollar if you're OK with console quality, 1050ti or 1060 6g are great cards.
1000$ gpus are really only necessary for the "masterrace" 4k60 or 1440p 144hz

anayman_k7

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And then, boom, hold on your orders people, except Tech Guru, the 2080Ti might be faulty
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing … rds-dying/

Tech Guru

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

And then, boom, hold on your orders people, except Tech Guru, the 2080Ti might be faulty
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing … rds-dying/

I have been following this issue closely mate ,  some of friends got the 2080ti in Lebanon ( no issues at all till now) ,it is affecting mainly the FE ( due to overheating VRAMs due to the chamber cooling design) no sold data till now since if you flip the coin not all 2080ti owners are facing the same issues. We need solid data for a final conclusion.

It might be a faulty batch

Last edited by Tech Guru (October 31 2018)

anayman_k7

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

And then, boom, hold on your orders people, except Tech Guru, the 2080Ti might be faulty
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing … rds-dying/

I have been follwing this issue closely mate ,  some of friends got the 2080ti in Lebanon ( no issues at all till now) ,it is affecting mainly the FE ( due to overheating VRAMs due to the chamber cooling design) no sold data till now since if you flip the coin not all 2080ti owners are facing the same issues. We need solid data for a final conclusion.

It might be a faulty batch

I was reading Reddit, even some models that are not FE had issues, but yeah mainly the FE models are the majority of the affected cards, but without an investigation and statement, all models are in risk

ManOwaRR

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

risk or not   , if it breaks its under warranty 

@Tech Guru , there's 2 choices Palit 2080TI 1300$ And MSI TRIO 1400$

The thing  both are unavailable right now MSI will be coming in 2 weeks    high demand and palit there's only 4 coming in 4 days so i went with the Palit and the owner said    either way if it breaks i will replace it for you so don't care about this much and he's also a good friend of mine and i trust him  i get all hardware from him in the last 10 years.

so the choice is to go with Palit

Last edited by ManOwaRR (October 31 2018)

Tech Guru

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risk or not   , if it breaks its under warranty 

@Tech Guru , there's 2 choices Palit 2080TI 1300$ And MSI TRIO 1400$

The thing  both are unavailable right now MSI will be coming in 2 weeks    high demand and palit there's only 4 coming in 4 days so i went with the Palit and the owner said    either way if it breaks i will replace it for you so don't care about this much and he's also a good friend of mine and i trust him  i get all hardware from him in the last 10 years.

so the choice is to go with Palit

It is a shop in Lebanon Mate , are these prices VAT incl. May You PM his contact

Last edited by Tech Guru (October 31 2018)

Tech Guru

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

The Power of RTX 2080ti

BF 5

> 80Fps

Ultra , TAA , 2160p

The 1st True 4k60Fps Graphic Card.

ManOwaRR

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

smacks head :

my overclocked  1080TI reach  68-70fps  : with everything maxed

yeah 2080TI is a good value  :)

Tech Guru

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smacks head :

my overclocked  1080TI reach  68-70fps  : with everything maxed

yeah 2080TI is a good value  :)

The 1st True 4k60Fps Graphic Card is the 2080ti

In regular rasterization and HDR Latency my ex 1080ti strix OC'D to 2100mhz Core & 11.7 Ghz Memory with an i7 8700k ( 5Ghz on all 6 Cores) & 3200 Mhz Memory - Failed me well on 2160p with sub 60Fps experience and a lot of IQ Compromises on Many AAA titles.

I Enjoy the #present tech and hate waiting.

Just Preordered the

ROG-STRIX-RTX2080TI-O11G-GAMING

ManOwaRR

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

smacks head :

my overclocked  1080TI reach  68-70fps  : with everything maxed

yeah 2080TI is a good value  :)

The 1st True 4k60Fps Graphic Card is the 2080ti

In regular rasterization and HDR Latency my ex 1080ti strix OC'D to 2100mhz Core & 11.7 Ghz Memory with an i7 8700k ( 5Ghz on all 6 Cores) & 3200 Mhz Memory - Failed me well on 2160p with sub 60Fps experience and a lot of IQ Compromises on Many AAA titles.

I Enjoy the #present tech and hate waiting.

Just Preordered the

ROG-STRIX-RTX2080TI-O11G-GAMING

Gratz on your preorder ,  it doesn't make it a good  card though performance/price ratio , however if money is no concern  enjoy it :)

On a side note 2016p/60 fps is not the gaming way 1440p/144hz is the way to go that if u really wanna enjoy smooth  gameplay , i'am a multiplayer/pvp guy  myself  so to me 60fps is not the way to go that's why i had 1080TI in SLI , sadly nvidia  ruined sli  as well ,  i think i will hold a bit on the preorder  that new series has nothing  to offer no fps, rtx/dlss  is nowhere to be seen in games the whole  situation doesn't look good   ,  it's more like nvidia is trying to milk people's  money and i don't like to be milked even though i can afford it , still i would feel like they raped me , so i will hold on this one , lucky me the msi didn't arrive in time .

Last edited by ManOwaRR (November 11 2018)

MrClass

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

Yes ever since I saw 144Hz, I couldn't go back. I couldn't care less about having more pixels. High refresh is much more enjoyable. 1440P/144Hz is the best of both worlds

Tech Guru

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

2160p 144hz is already in the market through the PG 27uq and X27 , waiting to see more brands next year like LG , Samsung , AOC offerings. Though they have a steep retail prices but 2160p 144hz  started to gain momentum with a most probable releases of more  brands and price drops next year. It is a slow by slow replacement of the 1440p 144hz gaming.

Iam not saying an RTX 2080ti with an I9 9900K will hit 144fps on a 2160p 144hz panel , but certainly anything above 60fps will be beneficial and tangible ( 80fps on 144hz panel is more enjoyable than 60fps on 60hz panel).

A second alternative for me is going ultra wide 200hz with the upcoming release of the PG 35VQ replacing my current PG 348Q @100hz. (I enjoy the immersivity of Ultra Wide Gaming).

RTX 2080ti + I9900K is a win win situation to ensure no bottlenecks on high refresh rate. The 2080ti will work on its full potential hitting high frames with good minfps to utilize those kind of panels.

Last edited by Tech Guru (November 11 2018)

MrClass

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

I have an RTX2080ti. Tried it on a 7900X and a 8700K. Same FPS same results. I hardly believe a 9900K will do "more" or "ensure no bottlenecks. Unless there is a single card that can do 2160P at 144HZ, then I'm not interested. I don't trust SLI one bit.

Tech Guru

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I have an RTX2080ti. Tried it on a 7900X and a 8700K. Same FPS same results. I hardly believe a 9900K will do "more" or "ensure no bottlenecks. Unless there is a single card that can do 2160P at 144HZ, then I'm not interested. I don't trust SLI one bit.

The I9 9900K according to all technical reviews is "fastest gaming mainstream processor" , it is registering the highest AVG Fps and MIN Fps. It simply due to its high clock speed per core by a default boost without any OC

The i9 9900k is already fast without any OC

1st
2nd
on 5Ghz by default

#3 #4
on 4.8Ghz by default

#5 #6 #7 #8
on 4.7 ghz by default

Still games love single threaded performance and the i9 9900k nail that not on 1 or 2 cores but all 8 without any OC too for games who benefit from multiple high speed cores too.

Last edited by Tech Guru (November 11 2018)

anayman_k7

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

I have an RTX2080ti. Tried it on a 7900X and a 8700K. Same FPS same results. I hardly believe a 9900K will do "more" or "ensure no bottlenecks. Unless there is a single card that can do 2160P at 144HZ, then I'm not interested. I don't trust SLI one bit.

The I9 9900K according to all technical reviews is "fastest gaming mainstream processor" , it is registering the highest AVG Fps and MIN Fps. It simply due to its high clock speed per core by a default boost without any OC

The i9 9900k is already fast without any OC

1st
2nd
on 5Ghz by default

#3 #4
on 4.8Ghz by default

#5 #6 #7 #8
on 4.7 ghz by default

Still games love single threaded performance and the i9 9900k nail that not on 1 or 2 cores but all 8 without any OC too for games who benefit from multiple high speed cores too.

so a OCed 8700k will get you more FPS and you will be safe from blowing up your VRM because out of box without a 95w limit the 9900k hits 150Watt when 8 cores are at 4.7Ghz

Tech Guru

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

I have an RTX2080ti. Tried it on a 7900X and a 8700K. Same FPS same results. I hardly believe a 9900K will do "more" or "ensure no bottlenecks. Unless there is a single card that can do 2160P at 144HZ, then I'm not interested. I don't trust SLI one bit.

The I9 9900K according to all technical reviews is "fastest gaming mainstream processor" , it is registering the highest AVG Fps and MIN Fps. It simply due to its high clock speed per core by a default boost without any OC

The i9 9900k is already fast without any OC

1st
2nd
on 5Ghz by default

#3 #4
on 4.8Ghz by default

#5 #6 #7 #8
on 4.7 ghz by default

Still games love single threaded performance and the i9 9900k nail that not on 1 or 2 cores but all 8 without any OC too for games who benefit from multiple high speed cores too.

so a OCed 8700k will get you more FPS and you will be safe from blowing up your VRM because out of box without a 95w limit the 9900k hits 150Watt when 8 cores are at 4.7Ghz

You need simply  a quality z390 board to OC the i9 9900k , similar story with a z370 on the i7 8700k.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/attachm … 1541020763

8 × SiC639 50A PowerStage on the Formula , Code , Hero XI will  ensure 200 - 250 W no power throtelling at all. With proper case cooling you can OC a i9 9900k normally and this matches testimonies of end hardware enthusiasts actually owning such boards. End result is very solid.

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments … 0_maximus/

Hardware Unbox showed  half of the cup only ,  the design and quality of VRMs plays a major role. Beefy 4 Phases with doublers vs 8 -10  phases with low quality.

Nevertheless , aside from the technical info from tech channels and website , I like to get my hands dirty ( not only reading here and there) and I will OC the hell of the i9 9900k in my next setup using a Maximus Formula XI and H115i Pro. As such I can conclude pratically infront of my eyes.

Finally , I OC'D the i7 8700k to 5.1 Ghz ( on 6 cores with AVX negative offset set to zero) using the Hero X. It was not stable without a delid and liquid metal.  At the end of the day the i9 9900k is fastest " off the shelf" Gaming Cpu without any hustle of overclocking.

Last edited by Tech Guru (November 12 2018)

anayman_k7

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

Back to the 2080Ti topic, it seems Battlefield V will not have RTX any time soon, the DX12 of Frostbite engine is still causing time frame issues due to the bad implementation of DX12, so the wait continues till a playable RTX title is available on the market

Tech Guru

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

Back to the 2080Ti topic, it seems Battlefield V will not have RTX any time soon, the DX12 of Frostbite engine is still causing time frame issues due to the bad implementation of DX12, so the wait continues till a playable RTX title is available on the market

A new note from DICE states:

DirectX Raytracing (DXR) – DXR enables realistic real-time ray traced reflections in Battlefield V for players with NVIDIA GeForce RTX graphics cards including the GeForce RTX 2070, 2080, and 2080 Ti. An early release of DXR will be available in an upcoming patch, near the Battlefield V Deluxe Edition release window. EA, DICE, and NVIDIA will also continue to optimize this implementation and deliver regular updates after its release.

That will be a November 20th Patch Window

Every Thing is ready now

~ Windows 10 RT API
~Turing Drivers

ManOwaRR

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

Battlefield 1 sucks when  using dx12 and V  sucks as well since it's the same engine and game   reskined as bf V , however   lets wait and see if Dice can fix their dx12 implementation

Tech Guru Mate , give  credit where credit is due don't follow tech blindly   ,  RTX 2080 Ti is an overpriced card  with no real use  at the moment  , while i love tech a lot and  i dont  mind wasting money on some piece of  junk hardware  , still i would agree with everyone here about RTX 2080 TI being an overpriced card made to milk  people  and nothing really special about it .

Tech Guru

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

Battlefield 1 sucks when  using dx12 and V  sucks as well since it's the same engine and game   reskined as bf V , however   lets wait and see if Dice can fix their dx12 implementation

Tech Guru Mate , give  credit where credit is due don't follow tech blindly   ,  RTX 2080 Ti is an overpriced card  with no real use  at the moment  , while i love tech a lot and  i dont  mind wasting money on some piece of  junk hardware  , still i would agree with everyone here about RTX 2080 TI being an overpriced card made to milk  people  and nothing really special about it .

Overpriced means money matters in your purchase decisions. I like to enjoy tech and this 30% increase in traditional reasterization will help me to have a move enjoyable expereince at 2160p. Still DLSS and RT are not tested to give a final judgement about turing from a 2 months lunch date. Any new technology needs time to mature , and turing set a baseline for hybrid rendering techniques exposing developers to a new horizon of graphics.

I am not a blind tech follower who have his purchase decisions based on "reviews , tech channels etc.." I witnessed what the 1080ti capable of at 2160p60 and 3440×1440p100 in a high rig setup ,it simply did not satisfy my gaming expereince with dips here and there + HDR latency and stutter on HDR enabled games. A blind tech follower is a person who ride the hype wagon with no previous gen vs new gen gaming expreince leverage. If you gaming needs are not like mine a 1080ti meets them ,  it is fine too.

https://youtu.be/bC5OAWqKF70

Have you watched the Digital Foundry -Hitman 2 Tech Analysis on their full scene screen space reflection technique implemented by IO Interactive  - it is almost like they implement RT for environmemt , save a copy of it , trun it off  then decorate with environment and then merge the two rendered scene ( more taxing on the graphic card sure) to actually look that RT in on. I would say this game is a best example way RT adds a new level of realsim and awesome to have. Yes they implemented planar reflections by they are only "one steep deep" and yet it looks awesome in Hitman 2. Meaning that they cannot contain any transparency or other reflections to them. RT could enhance that too much. Take for example the scene in the house with the huge screen playing the video , the forsted glass , and tons of reflective surfaces could look awesome with RT.

Just give any new archiecture some time , and based on traditional rasterization the

2070 beats the 1080
2080 beats the 1080ti
2080ti is the 4k 60fps king

Gap will increase with more drivers along the road aside to better HDR latency performance that Pascal sucked at.

People had no problems with a 5% faster Titan xp @ $1200 that was almost double the price of the 1080ti at $650.  I saw quite a few Star wars themed ones on here when they were the new shi...  Now you got a card that beats the ti by 30%? Same price as the xp , prices will drop gradually and it's a POS.

EVGA RTX 2080ti Black Ed. is for USD 999 now

https://www.evga.com/products/product.a … P4-2281-KR

The new cards are not made to give you 300 fps on 4k. It is made to make ray tracing possible on a 1200 card, instead of 68,000$.

To be fair the RTX 2080ti is the only decent 2160p card. Also, the stocks are being depleted very fast due to its high demand.

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/vi … rtx2080ti/

Last edited by Tech Guru (November 13 2018)

anayman_k7

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2080ti is the 4k 60fps king

With RTX OFF, because when you will (god knows when) have a RTX title you will be enjoying 20fps on 4k screen with the 1300$ card

ManOwaRR

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2080 beats the 1080ti , good joke :)

the 2080TI is a decent card for 4k  , fair enough

and it's 20% faster on average (2080TI that is )  , 25% in best cases scenario , 12-15%    on worst cases , so 20%  on average .

is it worth it   price/perfomance ratio ? , surely not , is it nice to have for someone who can just buy it , it's a nice card an increase overall .

that's the whole situation  , in few words .

ManOwaRR

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Re: RTX 2080ti - Nvidia "Turing" Upgrade

2080ti is the 4k 60fps king

With RTX OFF, because when you will (god knows when) have a RTX title you will be enjoying 20fps on 4k screen with the 1300$ card

RTX is made for 1080p , and that i'am being generous , i highly doubt we will see RTX titles this year , the TI can't handle  it , the devs and nvdia knows that , they  just sold people some advertise new tech and called it a day .

the 3000series is the one to look foward

Aly

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Overpriced means money matters in your purchase decisions.

Man, with all due respect you are kind of disrespecting other members with your posts every time you sound like Dan Bilzerian and the rest of us are poor peasants over here, I am pretty sure the majority of the forum members have good careers and can easily afford buying these RTX cards or several thousands dollars desktop builds, but the arguments here are all about the performance/price ratio or the FPS / $ ratio which in this case and many reviewers agree that the RTXs are not really worth it.

Tech Guru

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Overpriced means money matters in your purchase decisions.

Man, with all due respect you are kind of disrespecting other members with your posts every time you sound like Dan Bilzerian and the rest of us are poor peasants over here, I am pretty sure the majority of the forum members have good careers and can easily afford buying these RTX cards or several thousands dollars desktop builds, but the arguments here are all about the performance/price ratio or the FPS / $ ratio which in this case and many reviewers agree that the RTXs are not really worth it.

I am validating my point mate , if any one loves techs he cannot simply refuse a new tech solely based on price/performance ratio without

1- Real testing a  new tech in own hands vs self comparing with the old gen tech and not relying only on reading to give a final self subjective conclusion.

2- Underestimasting a new tech with a couple of months lunch frame ( without giving it some time to really understand what in really offers aside of regular rasterization for example on 1080ti vs 2080ti argument.

3- Giving low number average increases as 20 % increase in rasterization  on average meanwhile it is 30-35%( and i posted several times with references in this thread)

4- To be rational why a new tech costs this high ( and I drilled down the costs factor too vs previous gen )

5-Price /Performance is not fixed , as prices will drop gradually ( RTX 2080ti Black Ed. EVGA is now 999 USD) and the performance will increase in the maturity stage of the product.

This is my logic ,some might refuse it some mayagree , money is  part of the equation and to me I will have a positive ROI to many reasons I will not repeat of Pascal Vs Turing. Yes I can wait for a no ETA product like RTX 3080ti " I assume that will be its name"  but I like to enjoy what tech offers me today to leverage my gaming experience.

Last edited by Tech Guru (November 13 2018)