The truth about WAP on Alfa and MTC

vegetaleb

If you have an iphone or an Android phone and prepaid line you will see that the old good WAP connection will not work, or will half work using tweaks.
But why the hell WAP works on nokias and SE phones but not the best phones out there??
The only way to make WAP work on iphone and Android is by tweaking the User Agents to either nokia,SE or opera mini UA strings...
UA strings are the signatures of the phones's OS to the network,so if the UA strings of Nokia and SE are included in the WAP server any device saying it has an UA string of nokia or SE will be accepted.
On Android phones when trying to connect it will say ''Access Denied'' because the Android UA string is not implemented in the WAP server.
Same with Iphones.
The only solution as I said before is by changing the UA string to either nokia,SE or opera mini's ones, but this solution is not very good because https are not working as many apps!
I said that to the Alfa support but the only answer I got was that if I want data plan working with my Nexus One I should take GPRS.
So the conclusion:
-Alfa and MTC can very easily make android and iphone phones work with WAP by adding 2 small intengers in the server database.
-They dont want to do it because people in need will switch to the more expensive ''fixed'' line to get the 10$ GPRS data plan.
-This is the work of mafia
-We should say this truth on TVs so we can make things change

PS: I know I am using WIFI which is waaaaaay faster that GPRS and WAP together on my Nexus One but when I am in a place far from home or work and I need the internet...

xterm

Interesting thoughts, makes sense.

Zusynoid-x

it's not somehitng new vegetaleb and i think for your Nexus, the extra 5$ and the better GPRS connection than WAP is more fitting, :S i mean why would you want the slow wap, hell, i'd pay 10$ more ( GPRS 15$ plan ).

AkDoV

vegetaleb i am behind you on this !!! this is bullshit we should do something about it .. btw the only reason that they don't want to include iphone and android UA strings is to keep full access to blackberrys because they have some sort of contract ..

i think there's one solution to it .. make your line postpaid, and change it to buisness line. if that doesn't work go to the compagny and try to make a deal with them so they give you the internet access they give for blackberrys but i think u'd have to pay as much as they do (that's 40$ i think)

rolf

Internet speed is the same across all devices normally, especially with the speed we have in Lebanon.

Kassem

Good news: Mr. Charbel Nahhas has just announced that 3G is coming to Lebanon soon regardless of everything Abdel Menhem Yussef (and his "gang") are trying to do in order to prevent that from happening.

vegetaleb

3G, GPRS,4G BUT what I am trying to say is that Alfa didn't upgrade the prepaid lines options since Cellis released WAP 10 years ago!
I don't mind if they use 10 or 15$ from my units to give me GPRS or 3G but why do they oblige people to bind themself into ''normal'' lines??
I mean worldwide prepaid lines have the same damn data plans as normal lines!

jajoja

i dislike talking to some of you ! but i will add this only for vegetaleb, alfa or mtc are not restricting the service wap to steal from us more money its the service that is old wap is made for older cellphones (only wap or 2g) now for the gprs they upgraded their service to make it compatible with all new cellphones thats why they tell to go gprs they're not happy with it trust me.

Joe

vegetaleb wroteI mean worldwide prepaid lines have the same damn data plans as normal lines!

Not, absolutely not, true.

vegetaleb

Yeah perhaps in iran and syria :)

monkey-d-luffy

Kassem wroteGood news: Mr. Charbel Nahhas has just announced that 3G is coming to Lebanon soon regardless of everything Abdel Menhem Yussef (and his "gang") are trying to do in order to prevent that from happening.

Soon can mean in a month as well as in 5 years
I want an exact date not supposition that will turn out to be a LIE
By the way, where did you hear this news?

Kassem

Monkey D. Luffy wroteBy the way, where did you hear this news?

It was press conference by Mr. Nahhas himself after some media started spreading lies saying Abdel Menhem Yussef was under a "siege" by people sent by Nahhas (lol pathetic). In the press conference, he mentioned that Yussef will be punished for his recent illegal actions and that 3G - and later on broadband internet - will be coming soon eventhough the government has resigned.

Joe

vegetaleb wroteYeah perhaps in iran and syria :)

No, in France and the US.

For the record, Syria is way ahead of Lebanon when it comes to technology. I don't know about Iran.

vegetaleb

Politicians are liers specially when they are communists like Nahas (yeah he is communist , all his friends know it).
It's way too easy to say he wanted 3G and broadband internet and then say that ''others'' didnt let him work.
This is way too pathetic when you are minister because you have full resources to apply the plan you want in your field.
It's like if I accuse the concierge of my building if I didn't work well at office...
The real problem is that ISP are not willing to upgrade their servers to 5 and 10 mbs for ADSL so if the minister doesn't oblige them to do it they will never do...
Cyberia had a big problem with shared IPs adding too much people on the same IP and so overloading them, what did they do? they bought more DNS to increase IPs but they made customers pay 4$ more per month instead of assuming responsability, so what are you expecting from mafias like cyberia,IDM and terranet when you ask them to upgrade their hardwares but don't ask more $$ from customers?

Kassem

vegetableb wrotePoliticians are liers specially when they are communists like Nahas (yeah he is communist , all his friends know it).

No he is not.

vegetableb wroteIt's way too easy to say he wanted 3G and broadband internet and then say that ''others'' didnt let him work.
This is way too pathetic when you are minister because you have full resources to apply the plan you want in your field.

All the resources? Do you even know how things work in our stupidly bureaucratic "nation"? You need to know something very important: unless you have the money, you cannot do a damn thing about anything. All the ministries in Lebanon are nothing but a joke, unless Rayyah Al Hassan (i.e: wizaret lmeleyye) likes you - or approves of your political party, she won't give you money to invest and execute your plans.

Stop blaming the wrong people for your mistakes. You put the mafia in charge of the economy and the fiscal policy, so bare the consequences of your choices. (by "you" I do not mean you personally, I mean those who have been voting for the same political party since 1992)

P.S: Admin/Moderator, I'm sorry if I sounded political, but that's absolutely not my intention. I just believe that educated and highly involved "geeks" need to know that they are being mis-informed and mis-lead.

Joe

This topic is dangerously turning red (as in politically red).

Please avoid the topic of politics or we'd have to close the thread.

bskaram

rahmu wrote
vegetaleb wroteYeah perhaps in iran and syria :)
No, in France and the US.

For the record, Syria is way ahead of Lebanon when it comes to technology. I don't know about Iran.

So true! Syria's network is very advanced compared to ours. I remember, 3 years ago, I visited Syria, and saw an ad advertising 3G.

And even though Iran doesn't have 3G yet, it's services are much fair and cheaper, check the prices if you want
http://www.irancell.ir/en/Layer3/?id=82

So don't go bashing these countries just because of their political reputation.

monkey-d-luffy

About Iran, they used to have faster internet connection but not anymore because their government wants to keep control over things (like upload of videos or download of stranger anti-irani media)

This topic is dangerously turning red

lol

It was press conference by Mr. Nahhas himself after some media started spreading lies saying Abdel Menhem Yussef was under a "siege" by people sent by Nahhas (lol pathetic). In the press conference, he mentioned that Yussef will be punished for his recent illegal actions and that 3G - and later on broadband internet - will be coming soon eventhough the government has resigned.

The government as you said RESIGNED so what can he possibly do? I don't get it :S
It's like Domenech wants to do this formation and he's not the coach anymore :S

PS: If I talk about Domenech it's because he's the worst trainer in the world (no offense)

vegetaleb

The fact is that the real mafias are ISP and Networks, so nothing to do with political parties or religion.
The real problem of Lebanese is that they only beleive is the $$ and not evolution whatever political parties they are in and I mean ALL of them, nobody has ''kaff ndif'' whatever they claim about it.
The telecom minister can simply oblige the ISP and Network to update their systems as Mr Hamade did for ADSL, if he didn't oblige them 5 years ago we would still have dial-up internet. We live in a very capitalist system where companies and not the governments have the $$, ministries are here to regulate them so they don't only profit from us but give us better services and products too

Kassem

vegetaleb wroteThe fact is that the real mafias are ISP and Networks, so nothing to do with political parties or religion.
The real problem of Lebanese is that they only beleive is the $$ and not evolution whatever political parties they are in and I mean ALL of them, nobody has ''kaff ndif'' whatever they claim about it.
The telecom minister can simply oblige the ISP and Network to update their systems as Mr Hamade did for ADSL, if he didn't oblige them 5 years ago we would still have dial-up internet. We live in a very capitalist system where companies and not the governments have the $$, ministries are here to regulate them so they don't only profit from us but give us better services and products too

Ok it's obvious that you do not understand our Economic Model. No we do not live in a "very capitalist" system at all. We're still far away from that, and this is why some politicians keep talking about privatization. The EDL and the whole IT sector are owned by the state. It is not the ISPs' job to "update their systems" like you claim. It is the government's duty to provide the public sector (in this case the ISPs) proper infrastructure which they could build upon to provide better services to the people. If the government doesn't lay out the fiber optics network, the ISPs can do shit about their services. You are asking too much from private corporations when you're not giving them anything in return! Ogero literally prevents private resellers (yes they are resellers, not ISPs) from having any chances of fair competition. Ogero gets all the bandwidth, and distributes it among the resellers which in turn re-sell it to the people. Unless the government agrees to free the internet market (i.e: stop the stupid monopoly of Ogero) which is what Nahhas was trying to do, things will never get better.

P.S: I believe nuclearcat (who works for VISP) knows much better than you and I know about the case with Ogero and other re-sellers. So a few remarks from him would clear things out to you and me and everyone else.