kareem_nasser
If the promised upgrades are in action next year, will you change your ISP?
Personally if everything goes as promised like the 10 megabits/sec plans and in theory we will have traffic of more than 30GB then i might go to Ogero because of the latency and all the others will have the same plans.
vic
If the upgrade happens and happens to be so good [10mb/s? seriously? i doubt they'd give us that much, and highly doubt the unlimited bandwidth] why do you assume the latency issue will remain?
Devaz
Define Latency Issue ? in Theory we can get abt 90ms to EU servers . but For Example Right now with ogero you get between 125 and 150 ms depending on the EU country , but with the other ISPs ( not talking from experience , but from what i ve read on these forums and heard from people ) you get 300 to 400 ms . But i m Already with Ogero , and i m pretty happy when it comes to Latency , the only issue they have to "fix" or change is the Quota , and the answer for that issue is Simple and Already There ! ( the IMEWE cable )
nuclearcat
I guess other ISP's will improve service too
But if Ogero will keep all for them only and others will be worse and users will switch, well it will be something very dark in Lebanon. Probably i will leave country then... not because i will loose work, i have other proposals in other fields, just because telecom will fall away behind all world fast.
kareem_nasser
I dont think anything will change all will have the same plans and services because the telecommunications sector is still not privatized so all ISPs will take bandwidth from Ogero. Especially after all this controversy on activating the IMEWE cable.
monkey-d-luffy
In developed country ISP are private property
In Lebanon we have a UNIQUE ISP which is the property of the state
Other "ISP" like IDM, sodetel etc... only take internet from Ogero and distribute it to people
In the end all the prices and stuff depends from Ogero
So if the IMEWE will be activated in leb It would be wiser to switch to Ogero...
Fernand
Monkey D. Luffy wroteIn developed country ISP are private property
In Lebanon we have a UNIQUE ISP which is the property of the state
Other "ISP" like IDM, sodetel etc... only take internet from Ogero and distribute it to people
In the end all the prices and stuff depends from Ogero
So if the IMEWE will be activated in leb It would be wiser to switch to Ogero...
Yeah smart, and kill other ISPs, hence helping establish a monopoly :/
Kassem
I doubt Ogero will still have the current privileges they have at the time being. In that case, the ISP market will become an open market with fair competition conditions. I'm not really sure that's true, but I believe that only makes sense (and that's what I've understood from Nahhas's speeches).
rolf
Government monopoly does not mean necessarily inefficiency. Of course it seems to be the case most often then not in Lebanon, but it's not a rule, and there are lots of examples where government monopolies are quite efficient and work well.
Of course anyone is free to do what they want, so if someone wants to support internet resellers, it is a respectable action. I hope you all know that all resellers (I am calling them resellers not ISPs) take their connectivity from Ogero - which makes them nothing but resellers. If everyone subscribes with them then they will have more power over Ogero. But I hope people know the realities of the market.
monkey-d-luffy
rolf wroteGovernment monopoly does not mean necessarily inefficiency. Of course it seems to be the case most often then not in Lebanon, but it's not a rule, and there are lots of examples where government monopolies are quite efficient and work well.
Of course anyone is free to do what they want, so if someone wants to support internet resellers, it is a respectable action. I hope you all know that all resellers (I am calling them resellers not ISPs) take their connectivity from Ogero - which makes them nothing but resellers. If everyone subscribes with them then they will have more power over Ogero. But I hope people know the realities of the market.
Sorry to contradict you but monopoly is always bad (except for the game lol :P)
For example imagine that Ogero want all the lebanese people to subscribe with it, they will just stop furnishing internet access to ressellers and they will have the right to do it since ogero is the only ISP in leb
Joe
Reminder everyone: Not the place to discuss the benefits/inconveniences of monopolies. The thread is about what will happen to ISPs if major changes happen next year.
Chup
will the latencies differ ?
i mean if - A BIIIIG IF - ogero switches to fiber by february, won't the other ISPs be theoretically affected by this update ?
because IDM's latency and Ogero's latencies don't have that much difference between them
monkey-d-luffy
I don't think because if you are for example with IDM it will be IDM job to switch your house connection to fiber optic not Ogero
So it would be better to switch to Ogero
That's what I'm gonna do
rolf
Monkey D. Luffy wroteSorry to contradict you but monopoly is always bad (except for the game lol :P)
For example imagine that Ogero want all the lebanese people to subscribe with it, they will just stop furnishing internet access to ressellers and they will have the right to do it since ogero is the only ISP in leb
EDF (Électricité de France) was a monopoly in France until 1999. It changed not because it was failed but because it needed to to align itself with European Laws. EDF as a monopoly had high efficiency, low prices, and excess production.
That is the example I had in mind. I bet there are others.
@rahmu: I'm done arguing. Just wanted to show that I am not making up stuff. Although I have to confess - I do not have "lots of examples" as I claimed in my initial post.
Raficoo
Well considering Ogero will(should) be the first to get these "Upgrades"(hopefully) then I don't think I'll switch, unless ISPs will have something better to offer. For instance, Ogero does not unlimit but raise quota, other ISPs offer REAL unlimited-transfer, then ya, but considering Ogero's got the mono on this one and most ISPs(cyberia, IDM, terranet) are basically sub-mono, then I doubt it will happen.
It's sad really, it's almost 2011 and Lebanon still lags behind most of the world in terms of Broadband power. Everyday we see it, the complaints about the download/upload speed, the inability to use online content delivery due to the quota, the pings to WoW and other online games, the limits on smart-phone online apps, the downtimes, etc.... and how they promised us 3G by Q1 2011 and now this: "third generation services accessible to Lebanese by the middle of the year 2011". US and Europe upgrading to LTE(pre-4G) already!
Oh well, hopefully the rumors that we'll have better connections by February is all we can hope for.
