rolf wrote I know at least two are women here. But one doesn't post anymore the other one well rarely, it's been a while too come to think of it.
Add me to the list!
tt400 wrote Perhaps one can come up with some sort of "list," but that's not a list to get a partner. That's a list of what makes you a decent human being.
Agree with tt400 on this one.
Sab23 wrote
rolf wrote I know at least two are women here. But one doesn't post anymore the other one well rarely, it's been a while too come to think of it.
Add me to the list!
tt400 wrote Perhaps one can come up with some sort of "list," but that's not a list to get a partner. That's a list of what makes you a decent human being.
Agree with tt400 on this one.
You don't need to respond to this but i'm sure it'd be interesting to read your views regarding "feminism" from a Lebanese girl point of view.
TheStunMan wrote
Sab23 wrote
rolf wrote I know at least two are women here. But one doesn't post anymore the other one well rarely, it's been a while too come to think of it.
Add me to the list!
tt400 wrote Perhaps one can come up with some sort of "list," but that's not a list to get a partner. That's a list of what makes you a decent human being.
Agree with tt400 on this one.
You don't need to respond to this but i'm sure it'd be interesting to read your views regarding "feminism" from a Lebanese girl point of view.
We, as Lebanese, tend to take everything to the extreme (and I just did by generalizing - HA!). So I'm not really sure if there's a real feminist movement and what are their demands, other than stopping the violence which is a small chunk of the whole women-men issue.

Honestly, I'd like to be treated equally at work and stop worrying about getting back home late because of security issues and harassment.
And I would appreciate it if you stop the stereotypes about women belonging to the kitchen and only looking for cool rich guys.

You guys underestimate us sometimes *We Rule*
Sab23 wrote We, as Lebanese, tend to take everything to the extreme (and I just did by generalizing - HA!). So I'm not really sure if there's a real feminist movement and what are their demands, other than stopping the violence which is a small chunk of the whole women-men issue.

Honestly, I'd like to be treated equally at work and stop worrying about getting back home late because of security issues and harassment.
And I would appreciate it if you stop the stereotypes about women belonging to the kitchen and only looking for cool rich guys.

You guys underestimate us sometimes *We Rule*
No no, i never stereotyped anyone in my recent posts, anyway ill try my best to explain some few things:
- I don't think anyone oppose the idea of being treated equally at work, i would love woman to be treated equally at work BUT i'd also love that woman also do the same exact effort as man do. I'm sure you might reply well please don't generalize woman/men again i'm just explaining how men think in general about this issue. It really depends on which company you are working for and if you think you are being mistreated i'd speak with the managers about it.
- Security issue is actually a nation issue. I'd really be worried about anyone going out late at night and more worried if a girl is out late at night.
- So the idea of helping your husband by maintaining the house, the kids and being a good wife became something lame nowadays? the most essential thing to form a family is now ruined due to feminism.
- I'll not comment over "rich guys" because i don't think if a guy is rich is something bad.. while if woman doesn't see/understand he's using her by being rich its her fault (again i'm totally against this).
- In the contrary, woman are the main reason for a new generation to be born but also she HAS the most important role to raise good kids and a healthy house.
I was answering your question about feminism in Lebanon and not about myself.
- I'm very happy where I work, holding a nice position with a decent salary, no inequality whatsoever. Taking into consideration that the woman and the man both hold the same degree and occupy the same position, then the same effort should be put into the job and it's up to the management to decide who gets promoted or not regardless of the employee's gender.
- True, security is THE nation issue but what about harassment day and night? I'm not sure if this is the Arab mentality or this is how some guys like to spend their time. Which takes me back to the subject of this topic: dating sites where 80% if not more (just an estimation, not to be taken literally) than the profiles are fake and created to play around. This also applies to women, I'm not here to attack you.
- I can maintain the house, raise the kids, be a good wife, but also stay the engineer I am and keep my job and I also expect you to do the same. No one ever said that housework is only for women and men are the ones working to make a living. Here comes the real meaning of equality. I was raised by a working parents and I turned out fine.
- This particular point was a reply to the list things girls like provided earlier, it described a nearly perfect guy and I added to it the wealth part. This is NOT what we're looking for, not the money nor looks and if that's the reason why you hit the gym everyday, then you've got all that concept wrong. We just want a caring partner who will be there for us for better or worse. We might be picky at times just like you can be goofy - we inherited that from Adam and Eve!
TheStunMan wrote - In the contrary, woman are the main reason for a new generation to be born but also she HAS the most important role to raise good kids and a healthy house.
- Fortunately, we're not only that. Look around you, women are holding very important positions in the advancement of almost everything from technology to medicine to politics. If you only restrict us to housework, you've got everything wrong...


- Hope you don't take my sarcasm too seriously.
just wanted to point out that fathers can clean toilets and look after kids...
Sab23 wrote- This particular point was a reply to the list things girls like provided earlier, it described a nearly perfect guy and I added to it the wealth part. This is NOT what we're looking for, not the money nor looks and if that's the reason why you hit the gym everyday, then you've got all that concept wrong. We just want a caring partner who will be there for us for better or worse. We might be picky at times just like you can be goofy - we inherited that from Adam and Eve!
TheStunMan wrote Sure if you wanna be a beta (loser) dude and chase woman like they are the next big thing listen to kapitan, if you wanna be a MAN and do things right don't do things for the girl do those things for yourself, in general start improving yourself in all aspects not for woman (blah), do it for your own good, be the leader damnit not someone chasing a golden prize, you are the prize!
Funny thing what if he was a bald man, watch this.
Sab23 wrote I can maintain the house, raise the kids, be a good wife, but also stay the engineer I am and keep my job and I also expect you to do the same. No one ever said that housework is only for women and men are the ones working to make a living. Here comes the real meaning of equality. I was raised by a working parents and I turned out fine.
This is not something easy to maintain and i've seen alot of stressful marriages just because the wife is trying to do many things during the day (and lets not forget the night time will be ruined), i'm not against this idea if both of them needs to raise money but if the husband has a good salary and she insists into maintaining her carrier i'm sorry to say this but she forgot the reason behind getting married in the first place, anyway regarding her carrier maximum she can find a part time job (until the kid is grown up).
Sab23 wrote Fortunately, we're not only that. Look around you, women are holding very important positions in the advancement of almost everything from technology to medicine to politics. If you only restrict us to housework, you've got everything wrong...
Woman are capable to do many good things (and so do MAN) in society i do believe in that but i prefer woman to raise good kids instead because nowadays we really need a good generation to be born and if you disagree you didn't understand my point.
Why should the woman give up her career and not her husband?
A woman works just as hard to get a degree and position so just because she wants to get married and have a family, she has to give up what she worked her entire life for?
geekevo wroteWhy should the woman give up her career and not her husband?
A woman works just as hard to get a degree and position so just because she wants to get married and have a family, she has to give up what she worked her entire life for?
That's actually the root of the problem you see, its your choice whoever you wanna marry in the end, you can take the blue pill and try your best to help your wife to live like a princess. Humans are not programmed to do many things and not everyone is capable of doing so.
rtp wrotejust wanted to point out that fathers can clean toilets and look after kids...
Let me correct it for you, man/fathers are capable of doing everything that woman is capable of doing excluding of one thing giving birth a child. Geez i wonder why.
DonnieDarko wroteI met a girl on msn .. she was ugly ..beer gogles...vodka gogles...acid gogles..nothing worked..she remained extremely fugly
ah the younger me .. the bitch is still ugly though
Stygmata wrote
DonnieDarko wroteI met a girl on msn .. she was ugly ..beer gogles...vodka gogles...acid gogles..nothing worked..she remained extremely fugly
ah the younger me .. the bitch is still ugly though
You guys are all heart.


Also, I didn't read what was going on in the last few posts, but I don't think formal gender roles should exist. A man/woman should be able to do whatever they want and not be expected of doing anything that "fits" with what a "woman" or "man" should be. Nonetheless, I do believe the sexes are different and advantaged/disadvantaged in different ways. The sexes are definitely not equal.
girls are gross

I found all the PUA stuff to be gay, it's all just common sense. Unless you fall for it, where it means.. you can't be yourself around an attractive woman which makes you beta. And you end up being dumped. A man is expected to be a man, and being a man varies quite widely.

For equality, it's true, only difference between a woman and a man is genitals, have they had the physical attributes of a man. She would just be a "man". Maybe theirs some "kindness" bonus for woman. Just to equate for their physical weakness.

Relationships is a complete different story, it's all based on "shared benefits".
Sup3r wrote
I found all the PUA stuff to be gay, it's all just common sense. Unless you fall for it, where it means.. you can't be yourself around an attractive woman which makes you beta. And you end up being dumped. A man is expected to be a man, and being a man varies quite widely.

Relationships is a complete different story, it's all based on "shared benefits".
I've been in the pick up artist community since 2008 and I'm pretty sure there's no equation to get a girl and it's definitely not gay stuff.
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Cpt.Majed wrote
Sup3r wrote
I found all the PUA stuff to be gay, it's all just common sense. Unless you fall for it, where it means.. you can't be yourself around an attractive woman which makes you beta. And you end up being dumped. A man is expected to be a man, and being a man varies quite widely.

Relationships is a complete different story, it's all based on "shared benefits".
I've been in the pick up artist community since 2008 and I'm pretty sure there's no equation to get a girl and it's definitely not gay stuff.
PUA is the old con-artist snake oil info-based industry that's been refurbished by internet marketers to seek in some $ out of insecure faggots.

Seeking the term "How to be PUA" to know how to be a "man" then it completely defies my manhood.
Tell a girl, you look at stuff to get clues on how to be a man around her, enjoy the results.

Now, I'm not saying, anyone who've read for a while on that stuff isn't to be considered a man, it could be curiosity. Although to be driven by the sheer "gayish" that surround the concept, is pure "gay". In my opinion.
My problem with the PUA stuff is that it brought down my confidence.
Many of that stuff starts with a "lesson" about how you will not "get anything" if you don't follow these rules, how people are failing, and how the PUAs are super-uber better than you and you can never do what they do (unless you read and apply the book).
So basically the first thing it does is try to reset your confidence to a low level - whether knowingly or not. I could even speculate that this is done on purpose to make the reader dependent on their tricks.
Speculation aside, I believe that reading these things put a dent in my confidence when I needed it most. I needed someone to tell me that I can do it, etc. Not that I can never do it unless I follow their stupid rules, which I never will - and never will be able to even if I wanted it. It's not who I am.
Confidence is important - it helps a lot in these things, and in dealing with people in general.
By the way it's not the only situation where I found such a pattern - namely someone trying to take away my confidence so that they can sell it back to me later.
Sadly what you're saying is true, nowadays that's what the PUA community is : business and competition.
When I first started it was a good place to learn a lot of stuff like NLP, Body language,small talk and other cool stuff.
we even used to watch a whole seminar and then share our opinions, it wasn't always about running "stuff" on girls, it was a "Self Help" group rather than boys running around trying stuff.

For the confidence part, the PUA helped me with my confidence. I used to say 2-3 lines to a girl and get a positive response so i feel good and meet more girls thru the night. Then i forgot about all the lines and started being myself. For me it worked, maybe it's not for everyone.
Cpt.Majed wrote For the confidence part, the PUA helped me with my confidence. I used to say 2-3 lines to a girl and get a positive response so i feel good and meet more girls thru the night. Then i forgot about all the lines and started being myself. For me it worked, maybe it's not for everyone.
Sounds good. Being yourself is an important trick :) if you can never be yourself then eventually you might run out of lines, fail to enjoy yourself, fail to grow much as a person. That's just my opinion, anyway.
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