Who said we're trying to hide it? Who said we're sexually suppressed? Explain please...kareem_nasser wroteBriefly you can say i am a Sigmund Freud supporter. So basically everyone has sex as a priority on the subconscious level so sexually suppressed ppl such as our civilization is a great example just observe in your university how we try really hard to hide that fact.
Sigmund Freud's Theory
I am not gonna just bombard you with links but what i am going to do is to tell this: Eat/drink=sex. Am i wrong? Like don't eat hamburger for a year and you are going to have a reaction to that by, like dreaming about eating it and if someone interrupts you(while dreaming) you'll freak out and go crazy. To have a better idea of that watch or maybe you already are watching Sex & The City you have 4 different women which is pretty to notice, for example Samantha is a sex hungry woman(notice the "hungry") and the actor expressed the role as if it was real. The main character is lost and not sure if she can trust Mr. Big or not which is somehow the case of the other 2 but one of them wants you know to look for the man who fits her.
Though this is more of an American or Western civilization but it surely expresses the truth of humans and women in particular.
You want to know why we hide it? Well it is easy as i said before it is a matter of action and reaction so after we have been suppressed (sexually) and in an early age it starts at about 8 years old as "We hate girls" that's what we all said before but now it is totally different. I don't want to say this is complicated but this sexual suppression is what makes us different from other countries in good and bad ways like because of this suppression we tend to have interests in specific domains and only that but we also better than other at them.
Dont think that we are better than the open minded westerners on the contrary both have done it to the extremes, we suppress it and then we notice "falaten" like cars with shady glasses like a Kompressor or BMW as long as it is 2 door car(sports of course) and those type of guys are usually the same style of thinking, talking, and clothing. On the other hand the westerners over did with allowing sex as if it is like in the stone age, but they didn't know that it needs to be controlled same goes to eating if you eat a lot you'll get fat(obesity) or possibly a disease(cholesterol).
I think this is enough for now.
P.S: Smoking is bad for sexual relationship, yes it is.
P.S2: There is a scary number of women in the Arab world who fake orgasm.
Though this is more of an American or Western civilization but it surely expresses the truth of humans and women in particular.
You want to know why we hide it? Well it is easy as i said before it is a matter of action and reaction so after we have been suppressed (sexually) and in an early age it starts at about 8 years old as "We hate girls" that's what we all said before but now it is totally different. I don't want to say this is complicated but this sexual suppression is what makes us different from other countries in good and bad ways like because of this suppression we tend to have interests in specific domains and only that but we also better than other at them.
Dont think that we are better than the open minded westerners on the contrary both have done it to the extremes, we suppress it and then we notice "falaten" like cars with shady glasses like a Kompressor or BMW as long as it is 2 door car(sports of course) and those type of guys are usually the same style of thinking, talking, and clothing. On the other hand the westerners over did with allowing sex as if it is like in the stone age, but they didn't know that it needs to be controlled same goes to eating if you eat a lot you'll get fat(obesity) or possibly a disease(cholesterol).
I think this is enough for now.
P.S: Smoking is bad for sexual relationship, yes it is.
P.S2: There is a scary number of women in the Arab world who fake orgasm.
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One more thing: In the Arab world there is a huge gap in our brains one side there are our traditions and customs and the other there is imitating the west or sucking everything they have to our world. The easiest thing we can detect are the clothes, the type of clothes are mostly sexually invoking and we all know that this isn't acceptable in the "Arab world". Girlfriends and boyfriends! well they still have friends in them, and here there are some details that can only be shared between men, we all know what this mean in there world but in ours it is just a name so I'd prefer calling it normal friendship.
P.S: Though love cant be quantified but a normal person loves 4 times in his lifetime more than that means that there is something wrong maybe one of the parents died early (the opposite sex) and you didn't pass through Oedipus conflict(this is a normal part of (psycho-sexual development) so you will think that are in love with most men especially those who resemble your father(if you were a girl).
P.S: Though love cant be quantified but a normal person loves 4 times in his lifetime more than that means that there is something wrong maybe one of the parents died early (the opposite sex) and you didn't pass through Oedipus conflict(this is a normal part of (psycho-sexual development) so you will think that are in love with most men especially those who resemble your father(if you were a girl).
Support your claim please(especially with examples from our everyday life).Girlfriends and boyfriends! well they still have friends in them, and here there are some details that can only be shared between men, we all know what this mean in there world but in ours it is just a name so I'd prefer calling it normal friendship.
@Ayman i will pm you.
No kareem, do not pm Ayman, this is an open discussion. I'd like to know how you're going to support your claim as well.
I will reply once you finish explaining your point completely.
I will reply once you finish explaining your point completely.
Dude Freud overdoes it a bit by saying that sexually suppressed ppl tend to search for direct alternatives such as the arghileh/hookah especially women, well i cant explain more just think about it.
P.S: though this is true to a certain point.
P.S: though this is true to a certain point.
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Man sex is great :P
I have to agree with Sigmund on that (let's call him Siggie). But the thing that makes me think twice, is that... sex in our society is largely available. It makes you think, so why all this subconscious stuff when it's really not that hard to find a partner to have sex with? Somewhere, it doesn't stick.
I have to agree with Sigmund on that (let's call him Siggie). But the thing that makes me think twice, is that... sex in our society is largely available. It makes you think, so why all this subconscious stuff when it's really not that hard to find a partner to have sex with? Somewhere, it doesn't stick.
I am not usually a guy who goes into details but there is a type of orgasm that cant be faked :) I dont know about "the rest".kareem_nasser wrote
P.S2: There is a scary number of women in the Arab world who fake orgasm.
It is LARGELY available everywhere but does it give the so called sexual satisfaction?
No because sexual satisfaction is not only physical though it is for the most part, but it must have some emotions and other stuff that only married ppl understand.
As for the orgasm, once a porn-star was asked about this question and said that true there is a point were a woman in porn reaches orgasm but it is rare and to know more about faking or orgasm check this. Notice that she just continues eating normally after the faking same goes to porn movies they just talk after a faked orgasm, and we all know that woman are different when in comes to orgasm and if they have it we guys should never stop our thing :P.
No because sexual satisfaction is not only physical though it is for the most part, but it must have some emotions and other stuff that only married ppl understand.
As for the orgasm, once a porn-star was asked about this question and said that true there is a point were a woman in porn reaches orgasm but it is rare and to know more about faking or orgasm check this. Notice that she just continues eating normally after the faking same goes to porn movies they just talk after a faked orgasm, and we all know that woman are different when in comes to orgasm and if they have it we guys should never stop our thing :P.
Sex alone cannot be satisfying, no matter how good it is. To be satisfied, you have to have other things in life. But if you have all of this then I guess you are satisfied. I don't know if that's what you were saying?kareem_nasser wroteIt is LARGELY available everywhere but does it give the so called sexual satisfaction?
No because sexual satisfaction is not only physical though it is for the most part, but it must have some emotions and other stuff that only married ppl understand.
Again... argh... you are forcing me to go into details... let's just say you can't know if a woman has an orgasm just by looking at her across the table (although even then, if you have a good intuition, you should be able to tell). But it's not this situation we are talking about... are we? :-)kareem_nasser wroteAs for the orgasm, once a porn-star was asked about this question and said that true there is a point were a woman in porn reaches orgasm but it is rare and to know more about faking or orgasm check this. Notice that she just continues eating normally after the faking same goes to porn movies they just talk after a faked orgasm, and we all know that woman are different when in comes to orgasm and if they have it we guys should never stop our thing :P.
Also note that in sexual literature people come up with different sorts of orgasms (and it's disputed), but I'm staying away from that debate. I'm not a woman to start with.
@rolf: It is noticeable from the beginning that i am only talking about sex. ;)
To prove that sex involve everything in life, Spring is known to be a mating period for humans WHY? well notice mature sudden behavior during that period they go all nuts and start making more pranks on teachers.
actually my Sociology teacher told us this in class but no one believed him until spring and summer came we really noticed the difference.
actually my Sociology teacher told us this in class but no one believed him until spring and summer came we really noticed the difference.
ok I'm going to explain Freud's theory in the simplest way I could. Freud says that an adult's personality is shaped by a fundamental conflict between a person's desire to gratify his or her physical needs and the necessity to function as a responsible member of society. His principles included:
- The ID which is entirely oriented towards immediate gratification, operates on the pleasure principle (behavior guided by the primary desire to maximize pleasure and avoid pain). The is selfish and illogical, it acts without regard to consequences.
- The superego which is the counter weight of to the id, is a person's conscience. It internalizes society's rules and works to prevent the id from seeking selfish gratification.
- The ego which is the system that mediates between the id and the superego, tries to balance these two opposing forces according to the reality principle, whereby it finds ways to gratify the id that will be acceptable to the outside world. Much of this battle occurs in the unconscious mind.
Now, if we're going to depend on Freud's theory to explain differences in human behavior, we could safely say that in Western societies the ID is dominant while in our society (Eastern) the superego is dominant. I will not get into deeper details concerning Freud's theory as I do not necessarily agree with everything he says (I do agree with what I've mentioned above). But he actually goes to the extent of saying that everything we do stems from a basic intrinsic sexual need/desire. He goes as far as saying that the newborn's act of breast feeding is actually a kind of sexual expression. The way I see it, that's bullshit. I do believe though that sex is one of the most dominant (if not the most) human needs.
P.S: The same concept can be found in the heavenly religions but I won't get into details of that. The point is simply: animals are made up of physical needs only, while angels are made up of spiritual needs only. Humans are a mix-up of both, but those who prevent their physical needs from dominating their behavior usually go to heaven, while on the other hand, those who let their physical/animalistic needs dominate their behavior are sent to hell.
- The ID which is entirely oriented towards immediate gratification, operates on the pleasure principle (behavior guided by the primary desire to maximize pleasure and avoid pain). The is selfish and illogical, it acts without regard to consequences.
- The superego which is the counter weight of to the id, is a person's conscience. It internalizes society's rules and works to prevent the id from seeking selfish gratification.
- The ego which is the system that mediates between the id and the superego, tries to balance these two opposing forces according to the reality principle, whereby it finds ways to gratify the id that will be acceptable to the outside world. Much of this battle occurs in the unconscious mind.
Now, if we're going to depend on Freud's theory to explain differences in human behavior, we could safely say that in Western societies the ID is dominant while in our society (Eastern) the superego is dominant. I will not get into deeper details concerning Freud's theory as I do not necessarily agree with everything he says (I do agree with what I've mentioned above). But he actually goes to the extent of saying that everything we do stems from a basic intrinsic sexual need/desire. He goes as far as saying that the newborn's act of breast feeding is actually a kind of sexual expression. The way I see it, that's bullshit. I do believe though that sex is one of the most dominant (if not the most) human needs.
P.S: The same concept can be found in the heavenly religions but I won't get into details of that. The point is simply: animals are made up of physical needs only, while angels are made up of spiritual needs only. Humans are a mix-up of both, but those who prevent their physical needs from dominating their behavior usually go to heaven, while on the other hand, those who let their physical/animalistic needs dominate their behavior are sent to hell.
How do you know? Do you have any reliable and credible statistics?kareem_nasser wroteThere is a scary number of women in the Arab world who fake orgasm.
hehhee... Bi Charafkon... 3an chou 3am te7koKassem wroteHow do you know? Do you have any reliable and credible statistics?kareem_nasser wroteThere is a scary number of women in the Arab world who fake orgasm.
I really donno what this has to do with the issue we're talking about but I cannot tolerate claims that do not have credible material to back it up. Hence I asked for his sources :)Yorgi wrotehehhee... Bi Charafkon... 3an chou 3am te7koKassem wroteHow do you know? Do you have any reliable and credible statistics?kareem_nasser wroteThere is a scary number of women in the Arab world who fake orgasm.
what exactly is wrong with woman faking an orgasm? what does it prove?
I noticed that Kassem took the same approach we study in school during philosophy class in grade 12.
About the orgasm thingy my sociology teacher told us in school about it (the girls presence), think about the guys in Saudi Arabia because they are more known for such....actions toward women.
What i am trying to say from this whole thread is that sex isn't a mere think we take for granted like everyone does, no it should be clarified in schools and students must be guided by giving them books to read of course depending on the religion because some translated books are like playboy.
About the orgasm thingy my sociology teacher told us in school about it (the girls presence), think about the guys in Saudi Arabia because they are more known for such....actions toward women.
What i am trying to say from this whole thread is that sex isn't a mere think we take for granted like everyone does, no it should be clarified in schools and students must be guided by giving them books to read of course depending on the religion because some translated books are like playboy.
What is the point of (1) This thread, (2) the above discussion. No two points seem related, no two discussions relevant.
Is anyone supporting Sigmund Frued's Theory? Anyone claiming otherwise? Or do you guys really just to say sex, orgasm, women, playboy, ... for no apparent reason.
Is anyone supporting Sigmund Frued's Theory? Anyone claiming otherwise? Or do you guys really just to say sex, orgasm, women, playboy, ... for no apparent reason.
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@ arithma, in some other thread, kareem_nasser said he's a supporter of Freud's theory. I did not want to go off topic on that thread, hence I opened this one. I stated Freud's theory and then mentioned that I do support his theory but definitely not to the extremes.
To be honest kareem, your posts are not coherent and much of what you're saying doesn't make sense. Try to provide credible resources/explanations to your claims. I know someone has already asked, but how do fake orgasms relate to the subject?
Do you mean that Arab guys do not know what they're doing while having sex?
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To be honest kareem, your posts are not coherent and much of what you're saying doesn't make sense. Try to provide credible resources/explanations to your claims. I know someone has already asked, but how do fake orgasms relate to the subject?
Do you mean that Arab guys do not know what they're doing while having sex?
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You should read books instead of me giving you links. Start with religious books then translated and at last go to Freud's. Here we are talking about Sociology not Math so it is like philosophy i could be right or wrong and you can only say if you agree or not.
No i didn't mean that, as i said before eating=sex so sexual development is from the beginning and like eating it needs rules or limits otherwise we will become animals. We all know how to do it but the only difference is that there is the better and the best not the first and last and armed with knowledge from books you'll be more confident -as a sexually suppressed person for years- of doing better and with time you'll get used to it and do it perfectly.Do you mean that Arab guys do not know what they're doing while having sex?