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Garena pings just soared from 120 - 180 to 500 - 1500.
nuclearcat
Yes, we had to cancel that backbone, will be another fiber, but with worse latency (sigh... price matters). I will run it tonight.
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Pwned :(
Let's see how it will go tonight. Hope the difference wont be significant. :/
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any updates, nuc ?
nuclearcat
Now changed to another one, but it was terrible yesterday. Let's see today.
We are negotiating about first one... price is just terrible even for Lebanon.
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today it's terrible as well :p
even worse than yesterday
hussam
Browsing is dead at the moment. I keep getting:
The following error was encountered:
* Zero Sized Reply
nuclearcat
not worse actually, but bad, there is almost full outage sometimes. But at least other moments it works.
Lebanese ISP's sucks. U buy corporate bandwidth, pay thousands and they try to share this bandwidth and there is no QoS at all.
hussam
I thought bandwidth used for browsing was imported from Europe.
nuclearcat
hussam - upload is over Ogero. VSAT is illegal to use.
All ISP's have terrible oversubscribing and no money for hardware upgrades.
As i told before - i feel internet will collapse here soon if no significant steps will be done.
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nuclearcat wrotenot worse actually, but bad, there is almost full outage sometimes. But at least other moments it works.
was strictly talking about online gaming and latency/pings, not the overall internet.
hussam
---()--()--- wrotenuclearcat wrotenot worse actually, but bad, there is almost full outage sometimes. But at least other moments it works.
was strictly talking about online gaming and latency/pings, not the overall internet.
He was replying to my question about the outages during the last few evenings.
invalid-user-43
YouTube still not working.
Online gaming worked for 2 weeks and shot down the drain, and doesnt look like its gonna comeback.
hussam
Browsing is dead to begin with and I don't even use youtube.
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nuc. did you put priority on garena ports using the new fibers, so we can see how it may go ?
nuclearcat
Not yet. I cannot note ISP name who provided supposed to be so-called "fiber capacity" - but they are total garbage.
Yesterday they just went down(or bring down our link intentionally) for almost 1 hour without any explanation. Rest of time they had packetloss
So even i put garena in QoS - it will be useless with them. Tomorrow my boss going there (and DSP who provide connectivity) to fight with them, because they just seems sabotage our business intentionally.
They are one of "big players" who have direct access to Ogero capacity. They are getting upgrades easily.
They only i can say - Lebanese government with their rules paving perfect way of extremely ugly, expensive, corrupted internet market. In any country if i pay tens of thousands bucks my ass will be polished by manager daily to keep me as customer. In Lebanon as soon as u paid, best you can hear - answer of undergraduate in support, who don't have access to solve any problem, to "reboot computer".
VISP providing IT services for some customers, even they don't take internet from VISP. One day some of such customers called me, and told, **** stopped my internet! They told i have attack. Guy pay around 10k USD monthly for that ISP for corporate grade internet (dedicated capacity). I try to talk with that ISP tech, conversation smth like this:
me - What kind of attack he have? What is a pattern?
ISP - I dunno, we see something strange in our connection statistics.
me - If incoming - can you please just do BGP blackholing? If outgoing - tell me at least what kind of attack so i block port/ip/whatever.
ISP - We don't know, we can see flow statistics, there is something strange.
me - Please explain, what kind of attack, so i can solve the issue!!!
ISP - I took permission from manager to shutdown customer. Our router going down because of him. If i stop him - everything works fine. I don't know why. Sorry i cannot help you.
!!!!!
It was conference call, i told the guy - this ISP seems need to check their mental health, and better to call their sales and terminate service immediately. When he explained and asked to stop service - they restore his connection. I run for customer VPN and took all precaution steps (usually i take such only for very small "ISP's", who run service on one old PC, such as minimizing connection amount (to not overflow "ISP" nat connection tracking), shaping bandwidth according service type (some idiot ISP don't have proper shaper and just shutdown users who use more than he buy) and etc.
This week is hell for me.
pikatore
Goddam this government needs to pull its head out of it's ass and change the system, this is a very shitty situation.
nuclearcat
RULE N 0
Eliminate monopoly of Ogero. Open market of international bandwidth for international corporations like Telia, Level3, PCCW and others. I am sure in 1-2 years you will see tons of cables coming to Lebanon, because they will run one behind other to grab new market. Ogero selling 50-100 times higher price bandwidth than he buy and robbing lebanese people inside and abroad. He is robbing by price of hitech and any serious Lebanese business, education of kids, communication of citizens.
Sorry to say, but "thanks" to them - Lebanese is cavemens in technology to compare even with Turkey.
1)Customer right protection rules. ISP rights have to be protected too. It will introduce multiple good things:
A)If ISP promiss something, like unlimited night - it will be TRUE unlimited. Unlimited account - they have to mention if there is Fair Usage - and how it works. I sent letter to TRA about that - no answer at all.
Also ISP cannot stop customer for many days "just like that", or cannot provide shitty service.
B)If ISP rights protected, if customer sign contract (like cellular companies have) - he cannot exit before end of contract of he pay cancellation fee. This will introduce very cheap tariffs and special offers (like free installation). Customer don't risk too much cause of A).
2)Some quality standards. ISP should mention before customer connects if he block any protocols. There must be limitations for latency and packetloss (usually not more than 0.1% for corporate grade and 1% for end-user)
3)Customer support rules. Each case should have tracking id on customer request, so in case of ISP failure customer can dispute his claims with proof in court, with all history. And same for ISP - if agressive customer abuse customer support desk.
hussam
nuclearcat wroteSorry to say, but "thanks" to them - Lebanese is cavemens in technology to compare even with Turkey.
That's something I've mentioned before in this forum. Even in Egypt, etisalat gives you a 3.6Mbit mobile broadband connection for 20 USD a month.
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Garena pings seem to have stabilized at around 350. Not bad but still not quite playable. Can they be improved ?