I could be wrong but, we don't need fiber to home to hit 15 mbps or so, and to have an unlimited connection. As long as the centrals are connected by fiber(and I think the major ones already are) I don't really understand why we are at 1 and 2 mbps, even copper is better than this...
Proposal to fix the internet in Lebanon
Because look up, how copper is being fixed and laid.


This is ok like this to fix telephone line, but not ok to fix for ADSL. Don't expect more than 1-2Mbps on cable that is repaired such way.
Those guys does their best, but unfortunately high speed data transfers over copper possible only if cables are new and very securely installed, but if it is lebanon, with it's messy excavators, landslides, and etc - cables will be broken very often and will be repaired under rain and in mud, then alternative approaches should be taken.


This is ok like this to fix telephone line, but not ok to fix for ADSL. Don't expect more than 1-2Mbps on cable that is repaired such way.
Those guys does their best, but unfortunately high speed data transfers over copper possible only if cables are new and very securely installed, but if it is lebanon, with it's messy excavators, landslides, and etc - cables will be broken very often and will be repaired under rain and in mud, then alternative approaches should be taken.
Can't we take exemple from other more advanced countries facing similar or worse geography?
Peru has a mean dl speed of 10Mb, while facing way worse issues than we do
Peru has a mean dl speed of 10Mb, while facing way worse issues than we do
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Based on reddit thread they say:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PERU/comments/41g3fv/fastest_internet_in_lima/
And check others, its not better, just some areas gets high speeds
[–]GrumpyCuy 2 points 1 year ago*
Like so many things on life, its depends. Where you'll stay? Lima is a city with 10 millions people. The Internet conections are pretty diverse.
3 Mb down is a bit lower. 10Mb probably exist on several residential districts on Lima.
Claro, Movistar, Entel and Olo are the big ISPs on Peru.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PERU/comments/41g3fv/fastest_internet_in_lima/
Holy cow and we should expect them to lay down fiber with these workers? Shitty copper infrastructure is the number one reason why Lebanon's Internet is shit.
ISPs also have to stop overcommitting cause that's a 9.0 on the Internet shitt-o-meter
ISPs also have to stop overcommitting cause that's a 9.0 on the Internet shitt-o-meter
who is really expecting fiber connection in lebanon anytime soon =)))) , maybe 2027 my son will be using fiber to play online
I do expect, if things go right way.
I am wondering how one can get frequent updates on the situation, for example the activities of the ministry of telecommunication or the points to be discussed/discussed at cabinet meetings.
On a side note, I am surprised to see pictures of workers exist, assuming of course they are actual lebanese workers laying or fixing copper lines.
My best source of information is in fact this forum, but the sticky article topic updates every few months on average.
On a side note, I am surprised to see pictures of workers exist, assuming of course they are actual lebanese workers laying or fixing copper lines.
My best source of information is in fact this forum, but the sticky article topic updates every few months on average.
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I believe that the root of the problem is the high price of international links for ISPs, and the low amount of bandwidth available.
At the root of that, there is the monopoly of the state on the international connectivity, and I doubt they have the motivation and capacity to make things much better, as long as they can get away with the current situation and make money out of it.
I believe that, if there was more freedom, if ISPs could directly buy their bandwidth from the international providers, without having to go through Ogero and their pricing, if real private companies were free to fund their own undersea cable (or other connection) to the rest of the world, with only minimal intervention from the state, then the internet quality with get much better with time.
At the root of that, there is the monopoly of the state on the international connectivity, and I doubt they have the motivation and capacity to make things much better, as long as they can get away with the current situation and make money out of it.
I believe that, if there was more freedom, if ISPs could directly buy their bandwidth from the international providers, without having to go through Ogero and their pricing, if real private companies were free to fund their own undersea cable (or other connection) to the rest of the world, with only minimal intervention from the state, then the internet quality with get much better with time.
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Not only price, but also disbalance of pricing between DSL and private companies.
Ogero gets backbone by 50-100 lower price (i am assuming that, but not sure if true), and distribute as much as they want low for end-users.
Private companies have to keep such low prices, but because profit margin miniscule, they cannot invest nor in decent equipment, nor to support.
Another plague is current "reseller" scheme, it is not interesting, but there is some dudes who run just last mile networks, and make exorbitant money to compare with Ogero and ISPs. They exist because govt dont have laws to allow ISPs work on last mile, only such "illegal dudes" can take such risks. So when again one more minister barks about "illegal internet", ask yourself, why they didnt make such people to be able to work legally.
But before fixing all that, another legal framework should be done, that if ISPs profit margin will improve, they should not pocket this money and use for lavish lifestyle, but to keep high standards of connectivity. All this ideas i had in my list, how, when and where, but who will listen?
Ogero gets backbone by 50-100 lower price (i am assuming that, but not sure if true), and distribute as much as they want low for end-users.
Private companies have to keep such low prices, but because profit margin miniscule, they cannot invest nor in decent equipment, nor to support.
Another plague is current "reseller" scheme, it is not interesting, but there is some dudes who run just last mile networks, and make exorbitant money to compare with Ogero and ISPs. They exist because govt dont have laws to allow ISPs work on last mile, only such "illegal dudes" can take such risks. So when again one more minister barks about "illegal internet", ask yourself, why they didnt make such people to be able to work legally.
But before fixing all that, another legal framework should be done, that if ISPs profit margin will improve, they should not pocket this money and use for lavish lifestyle, but to keep high standards of connectivity. All this ideas i had in my list, how, when and where, but who will listen?
10 days later
If only the government ended its monopoly over Internet distribution and international transit, you'de have 100mbps in less than a year.
We deployed FTTx GPON and are capable of delivering HSI, but with the megabit priced at 140$, not a lot can be done. The new minister promised to decrease it by half in April and gradually to 15$ over months. If he delivers, I promise to deliver 100mbps accounts in my area with very light FUPs. My infrastructure is already prepared for any volume you might throw at it.
We deployed FTTx GPON and are capable of delivering HSI, but with the megabit priced at 140$, not a lot can be done. The new minister promised to decrease it by half in April and gradually to 15$ over months. If he delivers, I promise to deliver 100mbps accounts in my area with very light FUPs. My infrastructure is already prepared for any volume you might throw at it.
This is how I feel as well.nuclearcat wrote Another plague is current "reseller" scheme, it is not interesting
It is not interesting for the customer either, because all they get is the same poo (excuse my language) with a different branding.
Companies will not invest in new equipment, not only because margins are low but also because the bottleneck is outside their control, so any improvement from new equipment will be minimal.
where are you exactly?! Please come to my area! :)jeansalim wroteIf only the government ended its monopoly over Internet distribution and international transit, you'de have 100mbps in less than a year.
We deployed FTTx GPON and are capable of delivering HSI, but with the megabit priced at 140$, not a lot can be done. The new minister promised to decrease it by half in April and gradually to 15$ over months. If he delivers, I promise to deliver 100mbps accounts in my area with very light FUPs. My infrastructure is already prepared for any volume you might throw at it.
If government knows about your infrastructure, they will dismount it in blink of eye and make one more loud scandal, keeping all who is involved behind the bars for several month.jeansalim wroteMy infrastructure is already prepared for any volume you might throw at it.
No legal entity other than ogero allowed to have fiber network by current laws (and its extremely bad).