Silentcontrol
I know it's weird when we barely have electricity in this country but does anyone know about tesla/lebanon news?
I'm curious if tesla is even considering it
What about the law do they reduce taxes on hybrid /electric cars here?
xazbrat
Dream on----lol.
They were supposed pass some law a while ago that hybrid vehicles were excluded from TVA and had an artificially low annual registration, but I guess they scrapped that long ago. I guess someone in government figured out that these vehicles would not use as much fuel so they would not help in generating revenue for the government in terms of fuel taxes. I have friends in the states who swear by the Toyota Prius. Many states give some perks to owning a vehicle such as allowing them to drive in
car pool lanes without the need for a passenger or two.
I guess in retrospect, those types of lanes wouldn't be too bad here either, if they could enforce the rules.
Metalloy
Tesla in Lebanon, probably you'll not see it in a decade.
Tesla's strongest point is not the car itself, it is the charging station infrastructure that is being extensively deployed in USA.
UAE is working on establishing such infrastructure so you'll probably see Tesla motors there in a couple of years.
Silentcontrol
Enforcing the law thats the best joke i heard on lebgeeks here u can't stop people driving on the wrong way on a highway you want them to understand what carpool lane is or even emergency lane?
And i heard rumors about a guy owning a tesla in lebanon it's not hard you need arroujd 7hours of driving to empty the battery but if u recharge it over night and do your daily commute in lebanon it will be fine without recharge stations
user
To me it is not even a question, of course it won't be in Lebanon, and if it did arrive, it would be insanely expensive, it already is expensive without the 30% tax, transport fee and the retailer's profit.
Salloum
It wont happen anytime soon. However with the range of Tesla cars you can easily go a full day or two (depending on your commute) without recharging. The problem would be maintaining the car and spare parts. Anyway, I don't believe in the longevity of electric cars anyway because after 6-7 years will those batteries still really work..? But that's another topic.
Metalloy
how many of you guys have the ability to charge overnight ... most of us live in apartments and we dont have access to electricity for our cars.
and seeing a car or 2 in leb is not what we are talking about, we are about dealerships and real commercial expansion in our country.
Silentcontrol
dealership is impossible tesla doesn't sell through middle man they need to open a tesla store in lebanon ( which i doubt will happen soon) and i live in an apartment buyt i can make an electrician drop me a cable to my parking spot.
i want to be one of those couple people that own a tesla in lebanon :D
Elied
Silentcontrol wrotedealership is impossible tesla doesn't sell through middle man they need to open a tesla store in lebanon ( which i doubt will happen soon) and i live in an apartment buyt i can make an electrician drop me a cable to my parking spot.
i want to be one of those couple people that own a tesla in lebanon
Neighbors stealing power from your house would be a major problem in regards to this, unless you have a closed private parking. People already do it already you would just be making it easier and more convenient for them as well.
nuclearcat
I doubt in Lebanon there is many people like that. Honestly, as foreigner, even lebanese people might trick other lebanese, i never seen someone so dumb and insane to steal electricity of neighbor, because people know value of their reputation in eyes of others.
If he will get caught, all building will spit on him and his name.
Silentcontrol
Elied wroteSilentcontrol wrotedealership is impossible tesla doesn't sell through middle man they need to open a tesla store in lebanon ( which i doubt will happen soon) and i live in an apartment buyt i can make an electrician drop me a cable to my parking spot.
i want to be one of those couple people that own a tesla in lebanon
Neighbors stealing power from your house would be a major problem in regards to this, unless you have a closed private parking. People already do it already you would just be making it easier and more convenient for them as well.
i'm not worried ill close a box on it all those are minor issues what's worrying is time to recharge fully parts accidents...
Metalloy
stealing of electricity happens quite frequently.
and bring an electrical line is not really a proper solution, some of you might do it out of the desire to own a Tesla, but on a commercial level this is not applicable.
If I was Elon Musk, I simply wouldn't put Lebanon on the top of my list when it comes to expansion, there are far more suitable countries that will fit the bill.
Salloum
nuclearcat wroteI doubt in Lebanon there is many people like that. Honestly, as foreigner, even lebanese people might trick other lebanese, i never seen someone so dumb and insane to steal electricity of neighbor, because people know value of their reputation in eyes of others.
If he will get caught, all building will spit on him and his name.
LOL is all I have to say!
Silentcontrol
Metalloy wrotestealing of electricity happens quite frequently.
and bring an electrical line is not really a proper solution, some of you might do it out of the desire to own a Tesla, but on a commercial level this is not applicable.
If I was Elon Musk, I simply wouldn't put Lebanon on the top of my list when it comes to expansion, there are far more suitable countries that will fit the bill.
lebanon is a very small market if tesla comes to lebanon i bet they will sell less than 100 cars with the tax rates on cars a tesla could cost more than 150 000 $
Salloum
Lebanon's market isn't that small truthfully. I see more expensive cars here than I do in Riyadh or Jeddah. You can't drive around for 5 minutes without seeing the all new Range Rover, and that car costs like 200 grand.
rolf
I did a very quick research: range, about 400 KM, so if you're just commuting that can last a few days.
If you have twin chargers (you'll need to buy an extra charger), you can charge it in 5 hours.
There is a supercharger station that can charge it in 1 hour, but I don't think it's available for resale.
So it's doable, the main annoyance might be that I imagine you only want to charge on "EDL" electricity. So it sounds like a headache to arrange that.
One possible solution is to move to Zahle where they have 24h electricity.
Depending on the model, you would also want to be carful about hitting the car from beneath - that's where the batteries are on some models. I understand the Tesla Roadster has the batteries at the back instead.
Also one major problem is that having a Tesla and having to wait for "EDL" to charge it will just remind you how some aspects of your life are technologically retarded with little hope of progressing.
So maybe it's better to get a Hummer and pretend that everything is OK.
That would be sad, would it not?
Electric cars are a blessing. Combine that with 24h electricity (no more generator) and imagine how clean the air would be in Beirut.
nuclearcat
For Lebanon simple solution exist - solar power + tesla powerwall or similar.
Jerome
Electrical engineer here: Solar power is a waste of your money since electricity is so cheap here. And to charge your Tesla with solar power, you can expect to pay a lot more than the price of the car itself. People here pay around 4c a KWh (production costs are about 20c a KWh though).
Electric cars are good and the future. Every car manufacturer is making electric cars, it'll come, but not anytime soon without proper infrastructure.
Xsever
Jerome wroteElectrical engineer here: Solar power is a waste of your money since electricity is so cheap here. And to charge your Tesla with solar power, you can expect to pay a lot more than the price of the car itself. People here pay around 4c a KWh (production costs are about 20c a KWh though).
Electric cars are good and the future. Every car manufacturer is making electric cars, it'll come, but not anytime soon without proper infrastructure.
Yes, it's true that buying a Tesla would not make any economic sense until we have 24h electricity from Electricite du Liban.
Small corrections though:
1. Solar Power is a waste of money <for the residential sector> since batteries are needed in order to be able to cancel the generator subscription. The cost of the batteries will make the whole investment unfeasible. As for any industrial or commercial sector which only operates during the day, an on-grid solar PV system (without batteries), will pay for itself in 4-6 years based on the fluctuations in diesel prices. The most expensive diesel gets, the small the payback period will be. The system will still generate 80% of its original power by year 25. If the business gets a NEEREA loan at 1% interest rate, then the net cash flow will be positive all throughout the loan payment duration.
2. Production costs are in the 11-14c/kWh range for Electricite du Liban. Some plants are in the low range since they are new and combined-cycle while others are in the higher range since they are old and inefficient.
nuclearcat
Solar panels are long-term investment and i am talking about more or less predictable supply. Because being weather dependent is somehow better than being dependent on EDL health, if at cloudy/rainy weather both might be bad, at cold weather EDL often non-existent, while solar setup still generate some power, at very hot summer solar power is very beneficial, while EDL again suffers from high consumption.
And last point - sucking more energy just because of few pennies, from already bloodless subsidized country electricity supply is a crime against your own country. If someone can afford Tesla, then he should afford his own supply as well.