Also a PC game in Lebanon costs 2000 to 6000LL if you know what I mean.
A PS4 game is 70 to 90$ so you will quickly reach the 400$ more for a PC
This thread has gone to PC vs consoles rather quickly.
vegetaleb wroteAlso a PC game in Lebanon costs 2000 to 6000LL if you know what I mean.
A PS4 game is 70 to 90$ so you will quickly reach the 400$ more for a PC
Supporting Piracy is not something to be proud of. it's a form of theft!
Well i must tell u that theres sales on games...and i got BFH for 5$....BF4 for 10$....annnd so on
Play Station 4, For The Win!
haidcar wrote
vegetaleb wroteAlso a PC game in Lebanon costs 2000 to 6000LL if you know what I mean.
A PS4 game is 70 to 90$ so you will quickly reach the 400$ more for a PC
Supporting Piracy is not something to be proud of. it's a form of theft!
I wonder who never bought a pirated copy or downloaded an mp3 in this country :)
Don't worry they still make billions of $ on every game
Satfoun wroteWell i must tell u that theres sales on games...and i got BFH for 5$....BF4 for 10$....annnd so on
I was not making Mustered Race Vs console peasant juvenile comparison. i don't care for both tbh. but sony does do sales on their PS store.
vegetaleb was leaning towards the piracy aspect of PC gaming, something that hurts PC gaming. not to mention its wrong.
vegetaleb wrote
haidcar wrote
vegetaleb wroteAlso a PC game in Lebanon costs 2000 to 6000LL if you know what I mean.
A PS4 game is 70 to 90$ so you will quickly reach the 400$ more for a PC
Supporting Piracy is not something to be proud of. it's a form of theft!
I wonder who never bought a pirated copy or downloaded an mp3 in this country :)
Don't worry they still make billions of $ on every game
we have all done that. but we should not keep on doing it, regardless how much they make. you dont go and steal a ferrari because ferrari makes billions, and will still make billions. i buy my games during steam sales great bargains, and you would be supporting the devs.
haidcar wrote
vegetaleb wrote
haidcar wrote
Supporting Piracy is not something to be proud of. it's a form of theft!
I wonder who never bought a pirated copy or downloaded an mp3 in this country :)
Don't worry they still make billions of $ on every game
we have all done that. but we should not keep on doing it, regardless how much they make. you dont go and steal a ferrari because ferrari makes billions, and will still make billions. i buy my games during steam sales great bargains, and you would be supporting the devs.
Stop repeating what they say, we are not stealing, this is big joke,it's all virtual data no ferrari no kia, don't believe all what they want you to think.
If we have to stop real thieves then let's begin with all our politicians, they steal real things not bytes
vegetaleb wrote
haidcar wrote
vegetaleb wrote
I wonder who never bought a pirated copy or downloaded an mp3 in this country :)
Don't worry they still make billions of $ on every game
we have all done that. but we should not keep on doing it, regardless how much they make. you dont go and steal a ferrari because ferrari makes billions, and will still make billions. i buy my games during steam sales great bargains, and you would be supporting the devs.
Stop repeating what they say, we are not stealing, this is big joke,it's all virtual data no ferrari no kia, don't believe all what they want you to think.
If we have to stop real thieves then let's begin with all our politicians, they steal real things not bytes
virtual data? can you please clarify i did not get this at all. are you saying that anything in the form of bits is free for all?
how can you fix anything in this world while your view distorted to say the least. If you want to fix anything, you should start with yourself.
haidcar wrote
vegetaleb wrote
haidcar wrote
we have all done that. but we should not keep on doing it, regardless how much they make. you dont go and steal a ferrari because ferrari makes billions, and will still make billions. i buy my games during steam sales great bargains, and you would be supporting the devs.
Stop repeating what they say, we are not stealing, this is big joke,it's all virtual data no ferrari no kia, don't believe all what they want you to think.
If we have to stop real thieves then let's begin with all our politicians, they steal real things not bytes
virtual data? can you please clarify i did not get this at all. are you saying that anything in the form of bits is free for all?
how can you fix anything in this world while your view distorted to say the least. If you want to fix anything, you should start with yourself.
Why you always want to turn things personal? you always attack people in this forum.
You really have a problem with your life
vegetaleb wrote Stop repeating what they say, we are not stealing, this is big joke,it's all virtual data no ferrari no kia, don't believe all what they want you to think.
Any software company is manned by real people who go there from 8-5, 9:30-5:30 or whatever. This is real, not virtual. They have to put their alarm at 8 in the morning, pull themselves out of bed for a coffee and to go to work, shift code around, where they will spend a big chunk of their day, instead of going to other nice places. They get paid a salary and they need that to pay rent (for a roof they can sleep under), food, and of course other things.

This money comes (mostly) from users paying for the software.

Stealing, leaching, or call it whatever you want. You are enjoying something at someone else's expense.

Maybe in the future, this model will change, where you will pay for internet, for example, and download whatever you want, and internet providers will sponsor new software development using that money. But in the present times, this is how it is.
vegetaleb wrote
haidcar wrote
vegetaleb wrote
Stop repeating what they say, we are not stealing, this is big joke,it's all virtual data no ferrari no kia, don't believe all what they want you to think.
If we have to stop real thieves then let's begin with all our politicians, they steal real things not bytes
virtual data? can you please clarify i did not get this at all. are you saying that anything in the form of bits is free for all?
how can you fix anything in this world while your view distorted to say the least. If you want to fix anything, you should start with yourself.
Why you always want to turn things personal? you always attack people in this forum.
You really have a problem with your life
I am sorry you feel that way, I have never attacked you personally.
Mustered?! :o
Did you just, offend the PCMASTERRACE?! :o
How dare u :\
I owned a psp and i know that theres sales on PS Store and there is PS Now or plus or whatever it is that they give u a free game per month . But should i mention Steam?! i am not a fan of steam, i just use Origin
Fellows ,
From A Technical Point of View

Let us speak frankly current Consoles are PCs - X86 Architecture with optimiaztion and future advacement for a price/performance ratio prespective are hitting on Desktops for gaming.MS Scoprio has a GPU of 6 Tlops with an updated CPU. 1070 ~ 6.4 Tflops Scorpio may utilize DDR 5x or HBM 2.0 .. I think it can output native 4K with medium - high details with FXAA or custom AA similar to the 1070 do @ 30fps / 2160p.

Sure the Volta / Vega are much powerful but remember from a technical side a full solution like a Console capable of delivering a 4K experience for USD 500 max vs a 500 USD graphic card alone. I am and I will be a hardware PC enthusiast for to me it is a win win situation now if I own a Pro and/or Scorpio and a High End PC. To me the Entertainment Factor increases with good exclusives from Sony and an upleveled image fidelity which is welcomed to with Sony multiplayer ecosystem by I'll find many of my friends at.

On Cracked vs Genuine PC Games : Well I used to buy Cracked Games but 4 months ago I am buying Genuine Ones through Origin / Steam / Other Sites for the Keys. There are many discounts and offers - It is a good experience (Multiplayer , Regular Patches , Updates Etc.. ) and I have no regrets at all of the shift I made. Very interested for Example to Try Froza Horizon 3 & Gear of Wars 4 on my upcoming KS 9500 using HDR - Saw some live Froza gameplay on an HDR Display using a mediocre X box One S - HDR is really awesome layer of reality added to the gaming world - sure on my PC Froza will look awesome by utilizing higher resolution / textures + HDR.

I usually use cracked games now for files only (no hustle to download a 50 GB Game). And for PS4 Gaming /Pro regular Nino games swapping method (Old with New , Old with Old , Used Games) which greatly reduce the 60-70 USD price tag of each PS 4 /Pro Game.


At the End i donot care about money for my self Entertainment and enjoyment side thus owning both (High End PC Gaming Rig + A Capable Console "like the Pro or Scorpio" is a win win situation.

Enjoy , You Only Live Once !
While i buy mostly original games , i do torrent crap games that i believe that devs and publisber are milking us , inf warfare for example
Out of 20 games lately i torrented 2

Mafia 3 and infinite warfare , rest were bought legally
ManOwaRR wroteWhile i buy mostly original games , i do torrent crap games that i believe that devs and publisber are milking us , inf warfare for example
Out of 20 games lately i torrented 2

Mafia 3 and infinite warfare , rest were bought legally
I totally agree. Some games deserve to be pirated to send a lesson to the devs. I pirated No Man's Sky and uninstalled it once I saw how stupid the game was. And they expect me to pay 60$ for that nonsense?
Why do you need to buy all those games, i have like 5 multiplayer games in origin....and i dont even have time to play but one at a time haha
well this year was a great one for gaming ,

i mean u cannot stop yourself from playing gears 4/forza 3/ tomb raider and killer instinct on ms store

and ea did great with tf2/bf1/fifa 17

and there's another huge list on steam

so yeah u gotta play all those games

this year was awesome for gaming
Hahaha yeah i agree, so much fun, and so much little time to play, which makes you need to pick and prioritise the game to play first haha, i lately finished Inquisition, after 2 years lol
haidcar wrote
vegetaleb wroteAlso a PC game in Lebanon costs 2000 to 6000LL if you know what I mean.
A PS4 game is 70 to 90$ so you will quickly reach the 400$ more for a PC
Supporting Piracy is not something to be proud of. it's a form of theft!
Fully agree! It is theft! Getting something for much cheaper (or free) when its "creator" is asking a price for it, is like going to a store and stealing something in your pants! It's exactly the same!
I proudly stopped pirating from like 3 years ago and never looked back! It's so much better to feel the freedom and peace!
LifeEngineer wrote
haidcar wrote
vegetaleb wroteAlso a PC game in Lebanon costs 2000 to 6000LL if you know what I mean.
A PS4 game is 70 to 90$ so you will quickly reach the 400$ more for a PC
Supporting Piracy is not something to be proud of. it's a form of theft!
Fully agree! It is theft! Getting something for much cheaper (or free) when its "creator" is asking a price for it, is like going to a store and stealing something in your pants! It's exactly the same!
I proudly stopped pirating from like 3 years ago and never looked back! It's so much better to feel the freedom and peace!
Forget piracy, All this huge library of free to play games, and I'm not talking about low quality games (War Thunder, World of tanks, Heroes and Generals), add to that the ability to freely play online without paying 60$ per year! In 2 years 120$ is a price difference of upgrading a graphic card to latest generation (gtx960 to gtx1060 by example), also having Steam with its crazy sales and the ability to use mods that will give you multiple games from a single game (Arma3 Vietnam Mod, WW2 Mod, Survival DayZ mod, Battleroyale Mod, Wasteland Mod, and the list GO ON)
Going a bit off topic here but does anyone have the first-gen PS4? I bought mine the first month it was out and I have the touch buttons and now my PS4 is consistently ejecting discs randomly, when playing games. It is incredibly annoying and has rendered my PS4 basically unusable. I've tried every method to fix it I've found online to no avail.
anayman_k7 wrote
LifeEngineer wrote
haidcar wrote
Supporting Piracy is not something to be proud of. it's a form of theft!
Fully agree! It is theft! Getting something for much cheaper (or free) when its "creator" is asking a price for it, is like going to a store and stealing something in your pants! It's exactly the same!
I proudly stopped pirating from like 3 years ago and never looked back! It's so much better to feel the freedom and peace!
Forget piracy, All this huge library of free to play games, and I'm not talking about low quality games (War Thunder, World of tanks, Heroes and Generals), add to that the ability to freely play online without paying 60$ per year! In 2 years 120$ is a price difference of upgrading a graphic card to latest generation (gtx960 to gtx1060 by example), also having Steam with its crazy sales and the ability to use mods that will give you multiple games from a single game (Arma3 Vietnam Mod, WW2 Mod, Survival DayZ mod, Battleroyale Mod, Wasteland Mod, and the list GO ON)
I hardly call 60$ expensive to be honest.

Plus they offer pretty good free games every month, like the recent Lords Have Fallen, Resident Evil, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture...
Lets all buy NES Classic. It beats everything
haidcar wrote
I hardly call 60$ expensive to be honest.

Plus they offer pretty good free games every month, like the recent Lords Have Fallen, Resident Evil, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture...
I agree! The 60$/year is pretty cheap! It is 5$/month or only 250LL/day for you to play unlimited online and get 2 games (at least) each month! I remember how we used to pay like 1000LL/hour to play Counter strike in a network!

I'm actually surprised how cheap it is! I subscribed to PS+ immediately after I got the ps4!
Got the Pro Today for USD 525 from Khoury Home (Console + Joystick ) with a One Year Warranty (Khoury is a resller of Fattal the Authorized Dealer of Sony Products in Lebanon) which is much better to have an official warranty compared to Nino / Najjar who are giving a 3 months shop warranty !

Got with the 4 K 55 inch HDR TV to enjoy with HDR Awesomeness too on Youtube /Netflex etc.. I consider HDR is the future if you have a chance to see the difference between SDR and HDR you will know what I am talking about - Blacks appear blacks and brights appear naturally bright with a 1.07 billion wide color gamut instead of 16.8 million

. Delivery & Setup will be on Monday with a Movable wall mount. Actually a lot of AAA games has been patching their games to support the added power of the PS4 pro , and upcoming releases will take this advantage . You can find the list on Gamespot:

"Every PS4 Pro Game That Is and Isn't Getting an Upgrade Patch: The PS4 Pro offers 4K resolution, better visuals, and potentially higher frame rate".


http://www.gamespot.com/articles/every-ps4-pro-game-that-is-and-isnt-getting-an-upg/1100-6443385/


Each Games when with either one mode or different ones but in a Knotshall:

3200 × 1800p /60 or 30 fps upscaled to 4K using checkerboard method.
Native 4K / 60 or 30 fps (Fifa 17 & NBA 2k 17 works at native 4K /60 Fps)
1440p /60 or 30fps upscaled to 4K using checkerboard method.
1080p with an a jump from 30 fps to 60 fps
1080p with Supersampling (rendering at a Higher Resolution and downscaling - Full HD TV sets owner will greatly benefit from that)

Good Tips I knew:

* In addition to an increase of resolution some games like Last of US & UnCharted 2 supports a wide color gamut /HDR and let the PS4 send an HDR 10bit signal. An HDR capable TV is sure required.

*Other Games , with the addition of Resolition Increased added enhanced textures too.

* Shadow Warrior 2 is the Only PC game currently suppoets HDR (Polaris /Pascal needed for sending a 10 bit HDR Signal) I will try it on the new TV set.

*Gears of War 4 and Froza Horizon 3 ,Ironically , support HDR the Xbox One S and the PC.

*No PC Monitors , even high end PC Gaming, are capable of supporting High Dynamic Range , only SDR.

*4K/60 hz +HDR or 4K/60 hz + HDR + 4 4 4 chroma subsampling increasing the input lag due to additional processing power the TV set is doing. Always read reviews on Rtings.com (Great Technical Website for TV sets reviews) of the TV Set (that supports HDR) you are interested In and see what is the input lag in this two modes and if it has an HDR Gaming Mode (Only Samsung has now and Sony with it very expensive Z97 series) The HDR Gaming mode will disable some unwanted background processing and allocate the processing to HDR in order to reduce input lag).

*See how many ports the TV has HDMI 2.0 /HDCP 2.2 that accepts a 10 bit signal - Sales Man donot dive deep - Some tvs has all ports some 1 , some 2.
9 days later
Very nice man. Enjoy your Pro "thumbs up"
Excuse my ignorance but can you please explain a little bit the pictures above; I can see many things:
A pc, a mouse, a keyboard, a pc screen, a TV, speakers, a PS4 pro and an XBOX controller!
Are these related, or just happened to be in the same frame/installation?

Can you play on ps4 with a mouse and keyboard?! That would be good for me and my Battlefield 1!
LifeEngineer wroteExcuse my ignorance but can you please explain a little bit the pictures above; I can see many things:
A pc, a mouse, a keyboard, a pc screen, a TV, speakers, a PS4 pro and an XBOX controller!
Are these related, or just happened to be in the same frame/installation?

Can you play on ps4 with a mouse and keyboard?! That would be good for me and my Battlefield 1!
I did a custom made table for the Desktop / Pro masking all the wires / audio-visual cables / etc.. -I am doing final tweaks touchs .

I use the Xbox One Controller for MS with is Receiver fir Playing certaing titles on a native 2160p / 60hz on the 55 inch tv set - Targeting more future HDR Titles since Pascal is capable of outputting an HDR/10 bit signal to a compatiable 4k/hdr TV that accepts a 10bit signal and gas a wide color gamut. I found the Xbox One Controller for Windows 10 a very reliable / comfortable controller compared to my old Xbox 360 Controller.


Using a Key Board / Mouse for the Pro is accessible using the Xim 4 Adaptor I got (that tricks the Pro that as if it is receiving a Dual Shock 4 Input / knowing that Sony’s PlayStation 4 works with a mouse and keyboard. This makes it more convenient to type, use the web browser, and generally get around more quickly. Some games even support mouse and keyboard controls by default. You can if use the mouse of keyboard bluetooth dongle for a seamless wireless operation. PS4 Pro also includes three USB 3.0 ports, which is one more than the launch console.
A technical advice for PS 4 Pro / Pascal Owners who are willing to game on 4k/60hz HDR using a 10bit Signal and 4 4 4 chroma over HDMI 2.0

I 4k 60 hz rgb 444 with a 10 bit hdr signal exceeds current HDMI 2.0 bandwidth ; DP 1.3 is required. 4k 60 4 2 0 subsampming (compressed) with a 10 bit HDR signal can be passed through HDMI 2.0. For HDR contents Detected ( Games or Media) the PS4 Pro will automatically switch to 4 2 0 and for non HDR (8 bit) it will stick with RGB " enough bandwidth". I think leaving the PS4 Pro on auto will do the job. It is an HDMI limitation. RGB is better for HDR but downgrading to 8 bit vs 10 bit of compressed colors of 4 2 0 the later is better.
5 days later
Last of Us Part 2 Official Trailer

https://youtu.be/XlGhXNLN7G8

Death Stranding Runs at Native 4K on PS4 Pro

https://gamerant.com/death-stranding-native-4k-ps4-pro/

This what is great about Sony Exclusives They Are Very Optimized and you enjoy a great game-play /story with native 1440p or 2160p on the Pro squeezing each bit of power from the pro to achieve that - which make it worth the investment for only a USD 400 Console. (525 USD in Leb from 1 Year Warranty from Fattal)

To Win it is a Win Win Situation - To have both a End Gaming Rig + a PS4 Pro and a 4K HDR TV. Final Fantasy 15 Looks Phenomenal on 4k HDR , a true implementation show casing the power of HDR as a next generation Leap in visuals.
Good time to be a gamer. Yesterday's PSX conference was awesome and the quality of the big budget titles coming from Sony alone is worth it.

The opening and closing sequence of the conference were stellar. Naughty Dog has proven time and time again that they are one of the best, if not the best, game developers out there right now. It was so clever of Sony to acquire them because the quality of games they are pumping out is improving game by game.
That TV is bigger than my future.
Congratulations for your new set, it looks great.

For me the prices (especially for the games) and the fact that Sony milks you for a subscription to play online (on unstable and often not working servers) is a big turnoff.
I was a big PS3 player and there's nothing like the freedom to play online whenever you want, instead of paying monthly/yearly (which by the way increases a lot the final price if you want to compare to other gaming devices).

The same goes for building a PC in Lebanon, you pay a lot more for what is considered rather medium than high-end gaming.
Red7 wroteThat TV is bigger than my future.
Congratulations for your new set, it looks great.

For me the prices (especially for the games) and the fact that Sony milks you for a subscription to play online (on unstable and often not working servers) is a big turnoff.
I was a big PS3 player and there's nothing like the freedom to play online whenever you want, instead of paying monthly/yearly (which by the way increases a lot the final price if you want to compare to other gaming devices).

The same goes for building a PC in Lebanon, you pay a lot more for what is considered rather medium than high-end gaming.

It is true that paying a subscription is annoying especially when the previous generation was for free. However, when it comes to spending money on gaming, you can go all out or you can be selective. I have been selective with my games on the PS4 and have been only getting the games that I need to play, whether online or not. The last couple of days during PSX 2016 have shown that future games are looking awesome. Sony has some huge number of great exclusives coming up in the next years, not to mention what third parties have in store.

When you are selective with your games (and you can buy used games too at a reduced price), paying for a yearly subscription is the cost of a single games.

Anyways, everyone has their priotities but gaming can be relatively cheaper than you might think.

Cheers
My New Rule of Thumb:

High End PC Gaming + PS4 Pro & 4K HDR TV (at Least 55 inch) for really strong Sony exclusives , this hybrid system I am currently experiencing , quadrupled my Entertainment Factor. Especially that the PRO is actually outputting a resolution higher than 1080p and some titles includes HDR will leverage the Exclusives experience while lazy laying back on the Bed with the mounted TV on the wall.
3 months later
Guys, some revive for this old thread.

I own a PS4. I'm using it a lot (on daily basis).
I'm seriously considering the PS4 pro just for the benefits of the better framerate and the advantages of boost mode.
I'm on a smart 46" FHD TV. So no 4K or HDR anytime soon.
Referring to this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324251 , some games really benefit from the boost mode. I mostly play racing games like Asseto Corsa, Dirt Rally and some FPS like Battlefield 1.

What do you recommend? Did anyone of you make this crazy jump and unworthy (according to most reviews) switch?

Thx.
18 days later
LifeEngineer wroteGuys, some revive for this old thread.

I own a PS4. I'm using it a lot (on daily basis).
I'm seriously considering the PS4 pro just for the benefits of the better framerate and the advantages of boost mode.
I'm on a smart 46" FHD TV. So no 4K or HDR anytime soon.
Referring to this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324251 , some games really benefit from the boost mode. I mostly play racing games like Asseto Corsa, Dirt Rally and some FPS like Battlefield 1.

What do you recommend? Did anyone of you make this crazy jump and unworthy (according to most reviews) switch?

Thx.
Go with the pro mate , the pro is capable to output 60 fps on Battle Field One , Hitman , and Titan Fall 2 all run at native 1440p / 60 fps with much better graphics compared to Dark Souls 3. I am a PC Hardcore Gamer and I have a high end gaming pc - I bought the pro linked to a 4k hdr 55 inch tv for its price its a very capable console. Checker Board = 1920 × (1080×2) = 1920 × 2160p base resolution which is a good jump on upscaled games too using the checker board technique. Boost mode added too some benefits to unpatched games for the Pro , with some additional fps on unlocked games. Great exclusives with some HDR awesomness make the pro a good deal.