charbel316
hello,
so my uncle wants to build a new PC. he's going to use it for Autocad primarily. he has a 4-5 years old desktop that wasn't used that much. I think it was custom built. surprisingly it booted up faster than my i5 laptop. it has intel Core 2 quadcore processor, Nvidia GT8500 and about 300 GB of HDD. i thought of upgrading the old thing by adding a SSD and installing the OS and the software that he uses on that drive. do you think it's enough upgrading only to SSD?
if i will have to change the graphics card and the processor i thing that building a new pc from scratch with a new motherboard, processor, graphics card... would be better.
Die_Kapitan
You definitely need to upgrade your video card, an SSD will be awfully bottlenecked by the SATA 2 interface on your motherboard, and a CPU ugrade is recommended as your minimums will be very low, the framerate won't be stable and your average framerates won't be as high because of the CPU, playing heavily CPU-sided games might be a little too much on the CPU. You might be able to scavenge as few things from this build like the case, PSU (if it's good quality) and the HDD. Depending on your budget, get an i3 6100 or an i5 6500 paired with a Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2HP, 8GB of DDR4 memory, a 250GB Samsung 750 EVO, but don't get a video card, use the iGPU as, depending on your budget, you'll either be able to get a GTX 1070 or whatever name RTG release Polaris 10 as (Polaris 10 will be announced and maybe even launched on June 1st), alternatively, you can get a GTX 950 or 750 Ti now and upgrade when Vega comes out.
charbel316
So i think I'm going to build a new one. I will do a little bit of research to find the best parts. thank you very much
Die_Kapitan wroteYou definitely need to upgrade your video card, an SSD will be awfully bottlenecked by the SATA 2 interface on your motherboard, and a CPU ugrade is recommended as your minimums will be very low, the framerate won't be stable and your average framerates won't be as high because of the CPU, playing heavily CPU-sided games might be a little too much on the CPU. You might be able to scavenge as few things from this build like the case, PSU (if it's good quality) and the HDD. Depending on your budget, get an i3 6100 or an i5 6500 paired with a Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2HP, 8GB of DDR4 memory, a 250GB Samsung 750 EVO, but don't get a video card, use the iGPU as, depending on your budget, you'll either be able to get a GTX 1070 or whatever name RTG release Polaris 10 as (Polaris 10 will be announced and maybe even launched on June 1st), alternatively, you can get a GTX 950 or 750 Ti now and upgrade when Vega comes out.
Georges00
if you never heard of it,
http://www.pcandparts.com/ is the best place to order from
ballad
Die_Kapitan wrote an SSD will be awfully bottlenecked by the SATA 2 interface on your motherboard
no, unless you get an ssd that has a 3gb/s transfer rate, you won't bottleneck the SATAII port
Die_Kapitan
ballad wroteDie_Kapitan wrote an SSD will be awfully bottlenecked by the SATA 2 interface on your motherboard
no, unless you get an ssd that has a 3gb/s transfer rate, you won't bottleneck the SATAII port
Which means nearly every modern SSD, especially something like a 850 EVO.
ballad
Die_Kapitan wroteballad wroteDie_Kapitan wrote an SSD will be awfully bottlenecked by the SATA 2 interface on your motherboard
no, unless you get an ssd that has a 3gb/s transfer rate, you won't bottleneck the SATAII port
Which means nearly every modern SSD, especially something like a 850 EVO.
wikipedia wroteSSD technology can deliver rather consistent read/write speed, but when lots of individual smaller blocks are accessed, performance is reduced. In consumer products the maximum transfer rate typically ranges from about 500 MB/s to 2500 MB/s, depending on the disk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive
a SATAI won't bottleneck most ssd's
you also buy an ssd for the fast access time, that's what makes all the difference between an ssd and an hdd u won't be transfering files all day on an ssd but you will be using it to have faster boot up times for your apps and games.
Die_Kapitan
ballad wroteDie_Kapitan wroteballad wrote
no, unless you get an ssd that has a 3gb/s transfer rate, you won't bottleneck the SATAII port
Which means nearly every modern SSD, especially something like a 850 EVO.
wikipedia wroteSSD technology can deliver rather consistent read/write speed, but when lots of individual smaller blocks are accessed, performance is reduced. In consumer products the maximum transfer rate typically ranges from about 500 MB/s to 2500 MB/s, depending on the disk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive
a SATAI won't bottleneck most ssd's
you also buy an ssd for the fast access time, that's what makes all the difference between an ssd and an hdd u won't be transfering files all day on an ssd but you will be using it to have faster boot up times for your apps and games.
Putting an SSD on a SATA2 port will bottleneck sequential reads and writes. The limit for SATA2 will be 300 MB/s and for SATA3, 600 MB/s (it is not 375 MB/s and 750 MB/s because of the encoding method SATA uses). And the best SSDs can almost go up to 600 MB/s in reads/writes so he will be losing half their performance in these scenarios.
Yes, you're depending on random reads and writes for typical task, that's especially were SSDs are orders of magnitude faster than HDDs.
In short, OP won't get 100% out of his SSD by putting it on a SATA2 port.
ballad
the point is that it's feasible and will put a new soul in his PC instead of him paying 500$.
Die_Kapitan
Yes, but the whole build is pretty damn old, at the very least he'll need to get a new CPU and motherboard.
anayman_k7
Definitely build a new one, I used to have a system with Core2Quad Q9550 overclocked to 3.4ghz (base clock 2.83ghz) with 8GB of DDR3 RAM, I had 1TB Seagate 7200RPM Barracuda drive and MSI GTX760 2gb, the video card used to be bottlenecked so badly by the CPU I couldn't even reach a constant 50% of GPU usage, I used to play BF4 on a 900p screen on low and barely stay at 60fps
Later on I got an i5-4460, MSI Z97-G45 board and increased RAM to 12GB (2x2GB - 2x4GB), the difference was like day and night, 100% constant GPU usage, huge performance boost.
charbel316
thank you guys for the help. So I decided to build a pc from scratch. I am going to choose my parts from pcandparts.com (found some good reviews on this forum).
I only chose the processor so far (Intel Haswell 3.60GHz - i7-4790)
I want 8GB of ram - 250GB SSD - 1TB HDD - DVD-RW - motherboard - PSU - case - graphics card(gtx-950? evga msi asus?)
but I dont know what to choose so if you can point me to the best brands available.
and thanks again for helping me
anayman_k7
Can you specify a budget and also the usage, because if you will use it mainly for gaming you need something better than a gtx950
charbel316
anayman_k7 wroteCan you specify a budget and also the usage, because if you will use it mainly for gaming you need something better than a gtx950
it's not going to be used for gaming. it will rather be used to run Autodesk applications (majorly Autocad and revit), arcgis, photoshop...
I need the computer to boot fast and reduce the initialization times of these programs.
the budget is around 1000-1200$
anayman_k7
Well if it will be used in Autodesk applications I suggest you focus on CPU and RAM, first the i7-4790 is old news, look at the new skylake cpus that support DDR4 which is priced similar or less than DDR3, a video card will assist any graphical operations (gtx950 is good enough) ill post a list of parts.
- Skylake 3.40 GHz - i7-6700 8M/LGA1151 $301.00 (Comes with stock cooler, you might look into 3rd party coolers if budget allow)
- 2x 8GB Kingston DDR4-2133 KVR21N15D8/8 2x$30.00 (I chose 2133mhz because board supports this frequency as maximum)
- MSI B150 PC MATE (DDR4) USB 3.1 (LGA1151) $94.00 (Basic ATX board)
- eVGA 02G-P4-2951-KR GeForce GTX 950 2GB GAMING, Silent Cooling Gaming $159.00 (if fits with the case I chose)
- 1TB WD10EZEX 7200RPM SATAIII 64MB $56.00
- SAMSUNG 750 EVO MZ-750250 250GB 2.5" SATA 6G Solid State Drive (SSD) $74.00 (new model from samsung, cheaper with good speeds)
- Thermaltake Smart SE SPS-530M 530W PSU $52.00 (Semi modular, 87% efficient, bronze rated, 530W is plenty for i7-6700 with GTX950)
- Cougar CG-MX200 Mid Tower Case $24.00 (Basic case, 2 pre-installed fans, PSU on top)
- LG GH24NSC0-24X DVDRW - Dual Layer SATA Black $23.00
Total: 843$ (without TVA) and 927.3$ with TVA
If your usage contains a long CPU usage tasks, I recommend a 3rd party cooler, example:
- Thermaltake CLP-0589 Flexi LGA1156/5/1, LGA1366, AMD AM3/AM3+ CPU Cooler $52.00 (The only cooler fits in this budget case which pcandparts currently has stock)
anayman_k7
charbel316
anayman_k7 wroteWell if it will be used in Autodesk applications I suggest you focus on CPU and RAM, first the i7-4790 is old news, look at the new skylake cpus that support DDR4 which is priced similar or less than DDR3, a video card will assist any graphical operations (gtx950 is good enough) ill post a list of parts.
- Skylake 3.40 GHz - i7-6700 8M/LGA1151 $301.00 (Comes with stock cooler, you might look into 3rd party coolers if budget allow)
- 2x 8GB Kingston DDR4-2133 KVR21N15D8/8 2x$30.00 (I chose 2133mhz because board supports this frequency as maximum)
- MSI B150 PC MATE (DDR4) USB 3.1 (LGA1151) $94.00 (Basic ATX board)
- eVGA 02G-P4-2951-KR GeForce GTX 950 2GB GAMING, Silent Cooling Gaming $159.00 (if fits with the case I chose)
- 1TB WD10EZEX 7200RPM SATAIII 64MB $56.00
- SAMSUNG 750 EVO MZ-750250 250GB 2.5" SATA 6G Solid State Drive (SSD) $74.00 (new model from samsung, cheaper with good speeds)
- Thermaltake Smart SE SPS-530M 530W PSU $52.00 (Semi modular, 87% efficient, bronze rated, 530W is plenty for i7-6700 with GTX950)
- Cougar CG-MX200 Mid Tower Case $24.00 (Basic case, 2 pre-installed fans, PSU on top)
- LG GH24NSC0-24X DVDRW - Dual Layer SATA Black $23.00
Total: 843$ (without TVA) and 927.3$ with TVA
If your usage contains a long CPU usage tasks, I recommend a 3rd party cooler, example:
- Thermaltake CLP-0589 Flexi LGA1156/5/1, LGA1366, AMD AM3/AM3+ CPU Cooler $52.00 (The only cooler fits in this budget case which pcandparts currently has stock)
thank you very much anayman_k7. I think I'll go with this one but I'll have to choose an other case because of the graphics card length. the Cougar Cougar MX310 Mid Tower Case($36.00) will be fine.
anayman_k7
this card fits this case, I checked the numbers, surely another case with more features is nice in case it fits the budget, be aware of how many fans comes with it, you need intake fan in the front and exhaust fan behind the cpu to have a good airflow, good luck
charbel316
anayman_k7 wrotethis card fits this case, I checked the numbers, surely another case with more features is nice in case it fits the budget, be aware of how many fans comes with it, you need intake fan in the front and exhaust fan behind the cpu to have a good airflow, good luck
thank you man for the help. I'll take the number of fans into consideration. and I checked your builds, they're awesome!