@Vegetable

I have the LG LED UHD 55" 55UB830T (100Hz Refresh Rate Panel)

- I tried Both , Currently I am Playing Native at 4K , actually it is UHD not 4k 3,840 by 2,160 (2160p) vs 4k (4,096 by 2,160) linked through an HDMI 2.0 for 60 hz and Using 2x 980TI in SLI

- Using a Native 1080p (1920 by 1080) Source and upscale it to UHD , is a blurred experience , you do the math as the number of pixels are multiplied by four , but the color depth even if its upscale is nice / 1440p to 4K is a better experience , logically.

-I recommend that you check http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/what-is-the-refresh-rate to know the real refresh rate of the TV panel you will purchase , since each company has an inflated to refresh rate associated with a refresh rate technology.

-I need to highlight , and I do recommend to read the reviews of Assassin Creed Syndicate , Fallout 4 on Joker Productions (You Tube) and GamersNexus , Its seems that an I5 6600 K or even a Haswell OC to 4.9Ghz start to bottleneck , and AAA games are leaning more to I7 , and a believe in that trend in 2016 to increase. The GTX 970 to gain more FPS OC the core clock to 1530Mhz and Memory to 8Ghz you will have a near 980 performance , and Maxwell are very efficient in OC.


-Playable 2160p is not far , stick with the 970 now , and next year purchase Pascal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ojEukUj94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc8GxhNmTJw

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2182-fallout-4-cpu-benchmark-huge-performance-difference
Thanks Tech Guru!
Actually I am playing Fallout 4 with everything on Ultra + 1440p DSR@60fps only the Anitropic filtering is on 12 instead of 16.
So Fallout 4 on my system is flawless with 1440p, dunno why this joker is saying it will bottleneck.
Assassin Creed Syndicate though needs heavy GPU from the future, I wonder if Pascal is even enough lol, they use never seen before Ambiant occlusion process and shadows, if you level them down to last year tech then you get decent 50-60fps at 1080p, the game is still very gorgeous even at 1080p, the water reflections in the streets of London are very nicely done. The thing is that Ubisoft are sort of lab for Nvidia always using the latest and upcoming graphical stuff, when Pascal will be out I will definitely replay many games like ACS with everything maxed out and FC 4 at 4k (I simply still love this game).
CPU has very little impact, my ex-i5 750 was giving me the same results as the 6500 in FC 4, in some games I won 10 to 12 fps but clearly CPUs having nothing to do with games anymore, just heavy GPUs.
To go back to TV topic, I think I am going toward a Sony 40W600b, reading the reviews it has the best value for money as a 1080p, low input lag (29ms) and low response time lag.
I am waiting for the Sony and LG Christmas offers that would pop up any day now, nobody knows, perhaps they will put the LG 43UF680 at 600$ instead of 850$ (it comes with a sound bar worth 250$) or the Sony 43W800c also at 600$ (actual 850$ offer is with a free PS3 lol)
The LG 43UF680 is a 2015-2016 model that just arrived, it has a good response time, HDMI 2.0 but not true UHD as it lacks some sub-par pixels. Actually sold 850$ with a sound bar free.
The Sony 43W800c is also a brand new model 1080P but 3D and with Android OS. Actually sold 850$ with a PS3 free.
The Sony 40R350B is a 1 year old TV like the 40W600B but it's a very basic TV with only 2 HDMI and 1 USB, its input lag is higher than the W600 with 43ms instead of 29ms and it lacks the X Pro chipset that gives better results that is on the W600, as well as it lacks smart features vs the W600.
If I was in the US of A I would have definitely buy a UHD TV as in black Friday prices were really slashed down.
H.S wroteI was in the same situation around two months ago. It is still not worthy to get a 4K. If I had to get a 4K TV, I would wait until they further improve the OLED technology. Until there is a 4K OLED with HDR support and low input lag with a reasonable price.

Two months ago, I got the Bravia 40W600B for $550. It is a FHD and I mainly use it for console gaming. It has a great picture quality and low input lag, around 33ms.
What about motion blur? I have read but good things about this TV though some people claimed blur is not so good and other said it's not noticeable in games. What do you say?
The motion blur on this TV isn't bad, but not as good as higher end TVs. There is a feature called "LED Motion Mode" which will significantly improve the blur, but it is useless since it takes away from the brightness and the picture will be too dim. In most cases it won't be noticeable.
@H.S


OLED Technology on 4K is pretty expensive , yes it has deep saturation especially blacks but the price is not justifiable and it will not drop soon, and to me yes 4K worth it , gaming for 4Ks is very near 2016-2017 , and you can do it now using 908Ti in SLI or Fury X/Fury in Cross Fire , the trick is a local showroom here (they have wide varieties) , set a specific technical questions (or clarification you are skeptical about):

- Does it Include HDMI 2.0 ?
- What is the Real Panel Refresh Rate?
- What is the Input Lag?
- Up-scaling Method / Technology?

If you are a serious buyer the room manager will sure answer these specific technical question , and not marketing inflated illustration. Lock on a specific model according to your budget vs performance , technical knowledge , design. Go home re-cross-check (users review, you tube , product website , product manual, blogs, forums , & searches). Make your mind , and no regrets in my investment in the LG LED UHD 55" 55UB830T. A Positive ROI.
Tech Guru wrote@H.S


OLED Technology on 4K is pretty expensive , yes it has deep saturation especially blacks but the price is not justifiable and it will not drop soon, and to me yes 4K worth it , gaming for 4Ks is very near 2016-2017 , and you can do it now using 908Ti in SLI or Fury X/Fury in Cross Fire , the trick is a local showroom here (they have wide varieties) , set a specific technical questions (or clarification you are skeptical about):

- Does it Include HDMI 2.0 ?
- What is the Real Panel Refresh Rate?
- What is the Input Lag?
- Up-scaling Method / Technology?

If you are a serious buyer the room manager will sure answer these specific technical question , and not marketing inflated illustration. Lock on a specific model according to your budget vs performance , technical knowledge , design. Go home re-cross-check (users review, you tube , product website , product manual, blogs, forums , & searches). Make your mind , and no regrets in my investment in the LG LED UHD 55" 55UB830T. A Positive ROI.
I tried to ask these questions many times but I never got a salesman knowing what it even input lag mean, so I ask sometimes ''a la Libanaise'' like ''is it fluid enough for games?'' Even so the typical answer is: ''all new LED +100hz are very good for games'' ;)

@ HS thanks! So no regrets about this Sony?
I will wait till next week for the Christmas offers catalog for both Sony and LG, last year they released the Sony catalog pretty late like 17th December! I think LG catalog was out by 5-8th December. I am not expecting a superb offer as samsung and sony are releasing their 4K and Android TVs much more expensive because of (stupidly) added gift like PS3 and tablets, they should give us the choice then the samsung UHD would cost 650$ instead of 800$, but nooo you have to pay an extra 150$ for a stupid tablet that you don't want.
Because of that I will take a FHD like the W600.
The LG FHD TVs are worse than Sony in terms of motion blur, rtings even consider the LF550 not playable for video games. Samsung TVs are better but I am still afraid panels will burn like toasts as they have zero protection and they use 80s slim power cable without Ground
Tech Guru wrote@H.S


OLED Technology on 4K is pretty expensive , yes it has deep saturation especially blacks but the price is not justifiable and it will not drop soon, and to me yes 4K worth it , gaming for 4Ks is very near 2016-2017 , and you can do it now using 908Ti in SLI or Fury X/Fury in Cross Fire , the trick is a local showroom here (they have wide varieties) , set a specific technical questions (or clarification you are skeptical about):

- Does it Include HDMI 2.0 ?
- What is the Real Panel Refresh Rate?
- What is the Input Lag?
- Up-scaling Method / Technology?

If you are a serious buyer the room manager will sure answer these specific technical question , and not marketing inflated illustration. Lock on a specific model according to your budget vs performance , technical knowledge , design. Go home re-cross-check (users review, you tube , product website , product manual, blogs, forums , & searches). Make your mind , and no regrets in my investment in the LG LED UHD 55" 55UB830T. A Positive ROI.
I am not a PC gamer, most of the exclusives that I want to play are on consoles. Most developers are focusing on consoles which are 1080P, a lot of the PC ports are badly done and you will have a better version running on the weaker/cheaper consoles. Surely some 4K games look impressive on the PC but they're scarce to begin with. Is there enough content to get a beefy rig and a decent 4K TV? probably if you're a hardcore PC gamer.

I usually do the research myself and ask about the availability of a specific model, salesmen in Lebanon don't know about the technical stuff, or maybe I haven't met someone who does. Also the majority of the consumers don't know about it, they just request to see a movie running on the TV and they'll buy it if they like the picture and colors. I used to ask about the input lag and the motion blur...etc, they had no idea what I was talking about, so I stopped asking.

A well done OLED can easily beat any 4K LED, even though there is still a lot of room for the technology to improve. Panasonic recently bought OLED panels from LG and made their own CZ950 which surpassed LG's.
vegetaleb wroteI tried to ask these questions many times but I never got a salesman knowing what it even input lag mean, so I ask sometimes ''a la Libanaise'' like ''is it fluid enough for games?'' Even so the typical answer is: ''all new LED +100hz are very good for games'' ;)

@ HS thanks! So no regrets about this Sony?
I will wait till next week for the Christmas offers catalog for both Sony and LG, last year they released the Sony catalog pretty late like 17th December! I think LG catalog was out by 5-8th December. I am not expecting a superb offer as samsung and sony are releasing their 4K and Android TVs much more expensive because of (stupidly) added gift like PS3 and tablets, they should give us the choice then the samsung UHD would cost 650$ instead of 800$, but nooo you have to pay an extra 150$ for a stupid tablet that you don't want.
Because of that I will take a FHD like the W600.
The LG FHD TVs are worse than Sony in terms of motion blur, rtings even consider the LF550 not playable for video games. Samsung TVs are better but I am still afraid panels will burn like toasts as they have zero protection and they use 80s slim power cable without Ground
If you want to play on 1080P then you'll definitely be satisfied, I couldn't find a better gaming TV recently due to high input lag. Main pros for this TV is the high picture quality, very decent blacks and low input lag. I am currently playing Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition running at 60fps and it looks impressive.
Thanks HS.
So I will buy the W600 unless I find a super offer on the W800c without the PS3
All games run on 4K now on PC, but the thing is that as Tech Guru said you need a very expensive set like 2x GTX 980 if you want to run them at 60fps. I can run Borderlands Prequel and Alan Wake 4K DSR with 50-60 fps and everything on Ultra, same for Dead Space 2 and 3.
Though 2014 and 2015 games like Far Cry 4 can play fine at 1440p DSR but once I turn ON 4K DSR it drops to 20-30fps.
PC games are really nice, you can adjust graphics for your likings and the DSR thingy while waiting for UHD TVs is a huge plus compared to consoles, it really does a difference, you won't believe it's the same Alan Wake between 1080p and 4k DSR.
The W600 will be fantastic with DSR.
The day nearly all games will run at 4K + 60fps + Ultra options I will get a UHD TV
H.S wroteI am not a PC gamer, most of the exclusives that I want to play are on consoles. Most developers are focusing on consoles which are 1080P, a lot of the PC ports are badly done and you will have a better version running on the weaker/cheaper consoles. Surely some 4K games look impressive on the PC but they're scarce to begin with. Is there enough content to get a beefy rig and a decent 4K TV? probably if you're a hardcore PC gamer.
Most worthwhile console games are at either 720p or 900p, Assassin's Creed aren't a lot of ports, most if not all games will run better on a PC that costs in the same price range as a console and has way more functionality, an Athlon 860K and an R7 370 will play all games at 1080p at at least medium settings and get 60FPS whereas a console cannot. Most games support 4K and that's all you really need, you can't say they're scarce, nearly every recent game support 4K. I respect your opinion about gaming on console but don't use washed up arguments against PC.
@vegetaleb, you're welcome. Good luck.

@Die_Kapitan, You made me sound like I am bashing the PC. 720p/900p are mostly on Xbox One, the PS4 is running most games on 1080P and only a few games on 900p. As I stated before, the developers main focus is making games for the consoles first since it is easy to pirate games for the PC. A decent port can obliterate any current-gen console but that depends on whether they decided to do a good port or not.

Most advanced rigs can't save a bad port, it'll have stuttering, unstable frame-rate and screen tearing. Batman Arkham Knight was an atrocious port to the point they had to cancel it and refund those who bought it for the PC. There are many other bad ports due to poor optimization. If you read my post well, you would've known that I was blaming the developers, not underestimating the PC capabilities. PCs are upgradeable, consoles aren't. No argument there.
I asked about the W800c minus the PS3, they would give it to me for 600$ and even lower perhaps (special price).
I will win with the W800c over the W600b:
-3D
-Newer model 2015 vs 2014
-+3'' size
-Android OS making the smart part faster and more complete

THOUGH!
Giving the review of rting about both TVs for gaming the W600b is still a little better:
-8 ms faster
-Very slightly better motion blur
-A little better viewing angles
-50 to 100$ less

I have to decide till next Tuesday, help me!
You may want to go with the W800c if you care about 3D (I honestly don't). A 1 year newer model and the additional 3" aren't significant. The Android feature is a nice addition though. If you're going to sit directly in front of the TV most of the times, you shouldn't worry about the viewing angle and especially that there is only a little difference.

I would still go with the W600b for the lower price and input lag. If you competitively play fighting and FPS games, it might be the better choice for you.
I don't care about 3D, on 43'' it doesn't give good effects and only very few games have 3D support like Tomb Raider and even so it's limited to 720p @60 or 1080p @30 because of nvidia (they want to sell their own 3D monitors)
@H.S

PS4 and PC , you are comparing two totally different leagues


On Recent PS4 Titles:

Star Wars: Battled Front (900p / 60fps)
Call of Duty Black Ops 3 ( resolution scales down from 1920 X 1080 to 1360 X 1080 )
Fall Out 4 (1080p / 30fps with dips to 24-25)
Assassin Creed Syndicate (900p /30fps with Dips to 26-27)
Just Cause 3 (1080p / 30Fps)

All game are well optimized for PlayStation 4 and Xbox One , but sure the Xbox One in a "knot-shell" a weak console for graphic processing. PS4 boasts a 1.84 teraflop GPU.

I own both , and linking a PC to a 50 inch TV and using the PS4 Controller through a USB - Blue Tooth Dongle , and playing at 1080p / 60 Fps or 1440p for example with even high/medium setting and 2xMSAA simply puts the PS4 in ashes to ashes and dust to dust , even 750Ti (2.54TFlops) , i3 4130 and 8GB of Ram you can achieve that better experience

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-fallout-4-performance-analysis

In addition to cheaper Games (Steam , G2A ETC.., Free MP , or you and can go all around for cheap cracked games compared to USD 80 for each title release on the PS4.
Fahed is having a promotion on a telefunken 49" 4k UHD - SmartTV - Android TV for 499$ yes 499$
But it has a 8ms response time. So definetely not for gaming.
Fahed rabieh btw
I have no idea about it's quality though
Georges00 wroteFahed is having a promotion on a telefunken 49" 4k UHD - SmartTV - Android TV for 499$ yes 499$
But it has a 8ms response time. So definetely not for gaming.
Fahed rabieh btw
I have no idea about it's quality though
The original Telefunken brand was one of the best and made in Germany, but now it's made by a Chinese factory and only countries like Lebanon have it rebranded to Telefunken. So picture quality is most probably as good as Hisense (which is not good) and Input Lag is totally unknown, could be a good 20 to 30ms or a slow 100ms, also is it HDMI 2.0? does it have a minimum of protection for the panel?

I still don't have an answer if it's better to get the 43w800c it has a real 100-120hz panel and we can use the OC trick of blurbuster to unlock 100-120hz and so play at high fps,but it's not sure the trick will work, so if not I will obviously take the 40w600b.
BTW many reviews are saying the 3D of the W800c is not good so it won't be an advantage for me at all.

@HS can you plug your TV to your PC via HDMI? If yes can you check if you can get more than 60hz?
Here you go the OC tutorial: http://www.blurbusters.com/overclock/120hz-pc-to-tv/
Nothing about HDMI 2.0 or if it's even a 1.1
Product code: TFK 49L71F-UHD SMART

Edit: Banque audi is selling it for 50$/month over a year which is 600$
Fahed is not doing an offer apparently.
@vegetaleb, My PC doesn't have an HDMI port, sorry can't help.
I am finally gonna get the W600b, I checked about my ex-samsung TV and it was also a 100/120hz panel just like the W800c, though even with the OC Hz trick from blurbusters I could just reach 75hz max, so it's not worth paying 100$ more for barely 15fps more, it was very slightly smoother. Must be the HDMI 1.4 limits giving a max of 75hz, 4K TVs with HDMI 2.0 and 120hz panels can give 100 to 120hz.
Neither Sony nor LG did any offer for Christmas on 4k TVs, their Christmas catalogs are still not released while we are already the 8th December, if they think that people will wait for the 23th December to buy they are very mistaken. All the serious buyers will buy now because they are afraid of stock problems
8 days later
The Viatek dude tried to convince me to not buy a 1080p 40'' Sony TV aka W600b but to get the 49X8300 instead.
It's 300$ more (if you take out the PS4 of the offer) than the 40W600b but I win +9'' , REAL 4K (with all its subpixels), and Android OS.
Dunno if I should go for it or get the 300$ cheaper FHD version?