ironman
Hey guys,
The title mostly sums everything up,i currently have a hyper-x 128 GB SSD, it is mostly full, and i can't download GTA5,this is why i need a new drive,
and i am lost between the below options
Option 1: 2 X Hyper-X Savage 240 GB (RAID 0)
Option 2: 1 Hyper-X Savage 480 GB
Option 3: 1 Hyper-X Savage 240 GB (best cost)
What do you think?
khanem
Of course buy the 240 or 480 GB SSD depending on your current and future needs. RAID 0 is not worth it. you will only get longer boot time because motherboard will need to detect your raid every time and your game frame rates will be the same.
tech-guru
@Ironman
RAID 0 as a connection of two (or more) SSDs – so as to appear as one logical drive. In such a case, the whole capacity is equal to the number of discs multiplied by the capacity of the “smallest” one. i.e.- If we have two SSDs– 250GB and 500GB, the size of the array will be equal to 500GB.RAID 0 is also called a “stripe set” or a “stripped volume”. This is because data is spitted (striped) between SSDs – without parity information for redundancy. In other words, RAID 0 does not provide data redundancy. Inter-leveling of data between the Two SDDs causes a significant acceleration of read and write operations – due to the paralleling of these operations on all the discs in the array.the only benefit of RAID 0 is its write/read speed but if one SSD failed all the Data will be lost - I do not personally recommend it especially if the OS is installed on the one of the SSDs. If you are Interested in Raid Performance you can Bring 2x hyper-x 128 GB SSD as such you will have 3x hyper-x 128 GB SSD , and you can apply Raid 0+1 - What is left after a SSD has failed is nothing but a single, unprotected RAID 0 and not the whole data thus in such manner your data will be some how protected and maintain the high performance of a Raid configuration.
I recommend to keep the OS on the hyper-x 128 GB SSD and buy a 1 Hyper-X Savage 240 it should allow you to setup at average of 4 60GB Games and if you need the other SSD for more games push it for 1 Hyper-X Savage 480 GB.
Die_Kapitan
Tech Guru wrote@Ironman
RAID 0 as a connection of two (or more) SSDs – so as to appear as one logical drive. In such a case, the whole capacity is equal to the number of discs multiplied by the capacity of the “smallest” one. i.e.- If we have two SSDs– 250GB and 500GB, the size of the array will be equal to 500GB.RAID 0 is also called a “stripe set” or a “stripped volume”. This is because data is spitted (striped) between SSDs – without parity information for redundancy. In other words, RAID 0 does not provide data redundancy. Inter-leveling of data between the Two SDDs causes a significant acceleration of read and write operations – due to the paralleling of these operations on all the discs in the array.the only benefit of RAID 0 is its write/read speed but if one SSD failed all the Data will be lost - I do not personally recommend it especially if the OS is installed on the one of the SSDs. If you are Interested in Raid Performance you can Bring 2x hyper-x 128 GB SSD as such you will have 3x hyper-x 128 GB SSD , and you can apply Raid 0+1 - What is left after a SSD has failed is nothing but a single, unprotected RAID 0 and not the whole data thus in such manner your data will be some how protected and maintain the high performance of a Raid configuration.
You need 4 SSDs for RAID 10, not 3, unless its a 480 GB one and the others are 240 GB ones, but mix-and-match is recommended when RAIDing as much as it's recommended to mix-and-match RAM sticks, practically everyone would recommend against.
rolf
RAID 0 should be faster, but I think you'll most probably hit a bottleneck somewhere else in the hardware. SSDs are already insanely fast on their own, without putting them in RAID arrays. It also doubles the chance of failure.
So, whatever you prefer. Whatever you pick do your research well!
tech-guru
Raid 0 +1 does not mean Raid 1+0
Stygmata
Die_Kapitan wroteTech Guru wrote@Ironman
RAID 0 as a connection of two (or more) SSDs – so as to appear as one logical drive. In such a case, the whole capacity is equal to the number of discs multiplied by the capacity of the “smallest” one. i.e.- If we have two SSDs– 250GB and 500GB, the size of the array will be equal to 500GB.RAID 0 is also called a “stripe set” or a “stripped volume”. This is because data is spitted (striped) between SSDs – without parity information for redundancy. In other words, RAID 0 does not provide data redundancy. Inter-leveling of data between the Two SDDs causes a significant acceleration of read and write operations – due to the paralleling of these operations on all the discs in the array.the only benefit of RAID 0 is its write/read speed but if one SSD failed all the Data will be lost - I do not personally recommend it especially if the OS is installed on the one of the SSDs. If you are Interested in Raid Performance you can Bring 2x hyper-x 128 GB SSD as such you will have 3x hyper-x 128 GB SSD , and you can apply Raid 0+1 - What is left after a SSD has failed is nothing but a single, unprotected RAID 0 and not the whole data thus in such manner your data will be some how protected and maintain the high performance of a Raid configuration.
You need 4 SSDs for RAID 10, not 3, unless its a 480 GB one and the others are 240 GB ones, but mix-and-match is recommended when RAIDing as much as it's recommended to mix-and-match RAM sticks, practically everyone would recommend against.
1+0 or raid 10 is a stripe of mirrors and require minimum 4 disks
0+1 or raid 01 is a mirror of stripes and require minimum 3 disks (in most cases this will be implemented as minimum of 4 disks.)
Performance is the same for both raids but raid 01 fault tolerance is less
ironman
Allright, so not interested in RAID anymore, lost between getting a 480 and moving everything to it, or getting a 240 and leaving the OS on the 128,
any hints?
Thanks for your replies so far.
Die_Kapitan
ironman wroteAllright, so not interested in RAID anymore, lost between getting a 480 and moving everything to it, or getting a 240 and leaving the OS on the 128,
any hints?
Thanks for your replies so far.
Get a 480 and move everything to it, bigger SSDs are faster than smaller ones.
DNA
its simple if you want performance and don't care for data safety then Raid0 (Raid10 or so isn't practical in anyway for home use) if you don't want to go this path the higher the SSD's capacity the better it will perform and the longer its life span will be
tech-guru
@DNA
I have a technical Question:
I have a Crucial 512GB MX 100 - where the OS is installed on it and some AAA games titles (Like GTA5 , and Wither 3. All word work or PDF saves are on it. Shall I frequently update to my secondary 1TB Media Drive HDD. SSD now being used for about 9 Months. What is its expected Life by it self, Life Span Compared to HDD, and does SSDs have a tolerance to die suddenly. Thank You
Stygmata
Tech Guru wrote@DNA
I have a technical Question:
I have a Crucial 512GB MX 100 - where the OS is installed on it and some AAA games titles (Like GTA5 , and Wither 3. All word work or PDF saves are on it. Shall I frequently update to my secondary 1TB Media Drive HDD. SSD now being used for about 9 Months. What is its expected Life by it self, Life Span Compared to HDD, and does SSDs have a tolerance to die suddenly. Thank You
the ssd lifespan depends on several factors :
SLC vs MLC
quality of the SSD
Usage Volume
and data volume on the ssd
SSD drives constantly read and write as you use your PC.each block of space has a limited lifetime ( a number of writes) the drives rotate the space and try not to use the same space for a while. this rotation to reuse the same drive block depends on how full the drive is. A 480 gb ssd with only 150gbs data on it should last longer than a 248Gb with 150gbs of data.
but if you fill your ssd up and empty it, as fast as you can, a 60GB SSD takes about 30 months to die out.
tech-guru
@Stygmata
The MX 100 512 GB:
•MLC NAND guaranteed for 39 GB worth of writes per day
•Good data transfer speeds (sequential read = 492 MB/s, sequential write = 471 MB/s)
•Onboard capacitors help prevent data corruption
From your experience what is the expected Life of the SSD
Stygmata
Tech Guru wrote@Stygmata
The MX 100 512 GB:
•MLC NAND guaranteed for 39 GB worth of writes per day
•Good data transfer speeds (sequential read = 492 MB/s, sequential write = 471 MB/s)
•Onboard capacitors help prevent data corruption
From your experience what is the expected Life of the SSD
i use SSDs in my SAN , NAS and local servers ... they are SLC and heavy duty (enterprise grade) and after 2 years i only had one issue ( due to electrical shock )
the MX 512 has a good life span ..it can reach 7 years easily ..but then again it is not the best in the market ..i would go for intel ssd if lifespan is what matter to you .. the market has changed drastically during the last 5 years ..ssd are now more robust than ever .
ironman
I Just emailed PC and Parts to order the 480 GB, they said that the last unit was sold yesterday :(
they offered me the 850 EVO, or i should wait 5 days for the next shipment, i will wait 5 days.
Stygmata
ironman wroteI Just emailed PC and Parts to order the 480 GB, they said that the last unit was sold yesterday :(
they offered me the 850 EVO, or i should wait 5 days for the next shipment, i will wait 5 days.
evo is faster and cheaper and a better lifespan .. go for the evo
rolf
Die_Kapitan wroteironman wroteAllright, so not interested in RAID anymore, lost between getting a 480 and moving everything to it, or getting a 240 and leaving the OS on the 128,
any hints?
Thanks for your replies so far.
Get a 480 and move everything to it, bigger SSDs are faster than smaller ones.
True. It seems to be a general thing, they are usually faster. But not necessarily all the time some models are the same speed.
tech-guru
@Stygmata
Is it the EVO a TLC which is not good as an MLC.
ironman
wow 50$ price difference between the 850 EVO and the SAVAGE.... Stygmata, do you approve what Tech Guru said?
tech-guru
@ironman
The EVO uses 128Gbit 40nm TLC V-NAND flash memory. You'll find just one of those chips in the 120GB drive, two in the 250GB version, four in the 500GB unit, and double that again in the 1TB variant. TurboWrite -- one of the caching features we mentioned -- helps the Evo's TLC memory deliver MLC-like performance by using a small portion of each TLC NAND die as an SLC write buffer. The 120GB and 250GB Evo drives have a 3GB TurboWrite buffer and that increases by 3GB for each subsequent model with the 1TB drive having a 12GB buffer.The idea is to write data to the SLC buffer before quickly moving it to the TLC memory. If you write a file that is larger than the buffer or the buffer becomes full and doesn't clear in time, the data is written directly to the slower TLC memory. For light use, the 120GB and 250GB models should be fine, but you might experience a slowdown if you consistently write more than 3GB of data. While the Hyper-X Savage has am MLC NAND.
Side Note 1:
MLC- Multi Layer Cell
Lower endurance limit than SLC
10,000 program/erase cycles per cell
Lower cost
A good fit for consumer products. Not suggested for applications which require frequent update of data.
TLC- Three Layer Cell
Higher density
Lower endurance limit than MLC and SLC
TLC has slower read and write speeds than conventional MLC
5,000 program/erase cycles per cell
Best price point
A good fit for low-end basic products. Not suggested for critical or important applications at this time which require frequent updating of data.
Side Note 2:
In order to increase the Life Span of an SSD , usually Windows treat the SSD as HD with no optimization (I think windows 10) is the same you can reduce the number of writes/reads to an SSD especially if the OS is installed on it:
1- Disable Scheduled Defragmentation
2- Disable Super Fetching / Fetching
3- Disable Indexing
4- Make Sure the TRIM option is enabled, Type the following at command prompt and press enter: fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify - If DisableDeleteNotify = 0 : TRIM is already enabled and working in Windows ; allows an operating system to inform a solid-state drive (SSD) which blocks of data are no longer considered in use and can be wiped internally
5- Do not Full the SSD ; 70-30 % Usage is optimal