NuclearVision wroteWell first of all watch the aggressive tone so we can have a civilized discussion, you're not talking to your teenager son.
I think I've been pretty respectful so far, so I don't see why I should change anything about my tone. I also fully reserve the right to call you out on any illogical nonsense that you throw at me, like that unnecessary and idiotic last part of your sentence.
NuclearVision wroteYou say that I start from a simple a rule and generalize it, well didn't you generalize the suicide is caused by mental disorder rule?
What? I made no such "rule" or "theory". If anything, I even gave you several examples to show you that this is not the case. Are we jumping to false conclusions again?
NuclearVision wroteMaybe it is if we count the sum of all suicides, not in societies it may be caused by mental disorder, but as I said I was comparing North Korea and Sweden as you suggested.
I don't even get what you're saying anymore.
NuclearVision wroteWhy in Sweden there's more mental disorder than most of the world ?
Can you prove that Sweden has a higher rate of mental disorders among the population compared to the rest of the world?
I know beforehand (magically, because I'm a wizard) that you're going to link this with the preconceived notion you have about Sweden having one of the highest suicide rates, which would be a fallacy to begin with. Also, before you go back to that argument, know that, with an estimated average rate of around 11.5 suicides per 100,000 people per year, Sweden doesn't even make the top 30 countries worldwide.
NuclearVision wroteAs I said, I was referring to basic qualities, and not complex thoughts of people towards other, this one is gay, this one isn't. It's not related to the stuff people were discussing here and comparing Lebanese society to others.
I think I've made it clear before (to OP, at least) that ignoring these important details is basically avoiding to discuss this topic in any depth. You're still only lazily simplfiying the matter to something like "all humans can be greedy, therefore I win" instead of asking the questions that matter, like "Are all humans equally greedy? What conditions can drive an individual to be more greedy than another? Are all individuals or groups susceptible to these conditions?" and so on and so forth. This is what this topic should be about, not the "all women are gold diggers" butthurt sexist bullshit that has now suddenly popped up.
rolf wroteGermany was a Nazi regime until 1945. Jews were sent to concentration camps and left to die (at the best). Talking against the regime could would get you in jail or god knows where. In 1946, it was a free country with freedom of speech, and jews were tolerated, surely not singled out to be "eliminated". You could probably find indirect links with relations with society, but the things that I mentioned above (freedom of speech and treatment of jews) was a direct consequence of the political system.
I don't see a problem here, apart perhaps from claiming that immediate post-WW2 Germany was a free country. Without delving too deeply into the subject, let's just say that millions of Germans being used in forced labour isn't exactly the greatest qualifier for freedom. Let's not forget that the German citizens weren't simply just left to their own devices. They had bigger fish to fry other than worrying about Jews after the defeat of their nation, including foreign military occupation, vetting and monitoring by their occupiers, famine, and enslavement. Let's also not forget that Germany went through a period of aggressive and extensive denazification. Essentially, German society, as much as the country itself, was rebuilt from the ground up, and the norms that were present in Germany before and during WW2 were gone and completely replaced, which leads us to...
rolf wroteI separate social norms and politically imposed norms. The system can impose it's own norms, but when the system goes, it's imposed norms go with it (with great relief). Political system and society surely interact, but the interaction is not like what you describe. One does not erase and rewrite the other.
Basically the flip side of the above. I don't see why you should separate them, since at the end of the day, politically-imposed norms are still social norms regardless, and they can and in fact are used to erase and replace or rewrite any pre-existing ones. Totalitarianism wouldn't be what it is without it, and North Korean society wouldn't've been too much different from the South Korean one (if Kim Il-sung was not an autocratic leader, but what can you do).
rolf wroteHeck did you forget that North and south Korea were the same country, similar culture, even same race?
So what? Are you saying that a schism never happened? That the very fabric of their societies down to individual status remained the same? I'd strongly suggest doing a bit of reading on this.
rolf wroteI met someone from there and we spoke a little about society. It is a while ago, so details aren't that clear anymore, but I remember to be surprised by some similarities. I still remember that it would be not well seen there or not well accepted by the parents for a woman to live alone when unmarried. I think it can be said that it's a patriarchal society like in Lebanon. That kind of thing, but as I said it's been years ago so forgive me if I don't remember the exact words and points we discussed about.
Fair enough, but that alone hardly makes their society similar to ours. Do you remember anything concerning, say, interfaith marriage, personal status codes stemming from religious institutions, inheritance, domestic violence, divorce and custody rights...?