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Obviously wrote Anyway, what are you hiding? The fact that you just spotted a hot potential gf/bf?
To jump into the conversation, personally, I have little to hide, but it just feels good to know that you are not watched and that your privacy is respected. It feels right, and I believe that's how things should be, and it worries me a little to see the direction in which the world seems to be going on that matter.
rolf wrote
Obviously wrote Anyway, what are you hiding? The fact that you just spotted a hot potential gf/bf?
To jump into the conversation, personally, I have little to hide, but it just feels good to know that you are not watched and that your privacy is respected. It feels right, and I believe that's how things should be, and it worries me a little to see the direction in which the world seems to be going on that matter.
It feels like you are not being watched, but you are. Everything is being watched, even this. If they don't tell you they are going to be watching you, it doesn't mean that they aren't. Facebook and Google are just honest about it.

Now you still can limit it as much as possible. For example, I have the "Ghostery" extension on my Chrome to block anything that's tracking my browsing, however, I am not stopping tracking completely, I am just limiting it as much as I possibly can.
Obviously wrote
samer wrote
Anyway, what are you hiding? The fact that you just spotted a hot potential gf/bf? The fact that you just farted the worst smelling fart ever? The fact that you just got a job, got engaged, are planning a surprise bday party, etc. There's nothing really to hide, unless you were planning something you're going to get arrested for. If that's the case, then it's really not secure to share anywhere online, unless you completely trust the security of whatever you are using.
You are missing the point. It's not about having "nothing to hide", he should have the liberty to not disclose these things. If you close the bathroom door, does it mean that you are up to no good?
Here's a good piece debunking the argument: Why Privacy Matters Even if You Have 'Nothing to Hide'. Solove also wrote an academic paper on the subject.
No one said he is up to no good, but whether he was using Telegram, or Whatsapp, or any other chat app. Once whatever you say is said on the Internet, it means it's out. Using "Secure" apps is an illusion. It's a marketing scheme.

I've never written my credit card info online, never disclosed deep secrets online (only when I was younger and clueless about how the Internet works), and sometimes I do share secrets, but I know that I don't mind if some stranger read them.

That point is moot. It doesn't matter if the Internet can provide privacy or not. What he was arguing was that regardless of whether or not you have something to hide, you deserve and should seek your privacy. Personally, I think arguing that is silly. It should be a no-brainer, when you take into consideration that we are INDIVIDUAL AND INDEPENDENT humans, that we deserve our privacy.
Badieh wrote
samer wrote
Anyway, what are you hiding? The fact that you just spotted a hot potential gf/bf? The fact that you just farted the worst smelling fart ever? The fact that you just got a job, got engaged, are planning a surprise bday party, etc. There's nothing really to hide, unless you were planning something you're going to get arrested for. If that's the case, then it's really not secure to share anywhere online, unless you completely trust the security of whatever you are using.
You are missing the point. It's not about having "nothing to hide", he should have the liberty to not disclose these things. If you close the bathroom door, does it mean that you are up to no good?
Here's a good piece debunking the argument: Why Privacy Matters Even if You Have 'Nothing to Hide'. Solove also wrote an academic paper on the subject.
Sorry to say this, but the comparison is a little off. Why not think of it this way, would you disclose your credit card information over this new "trusted" application that you are going to install? I highly doubt so. The day when the government would install cameras inside your house, that's when you would go crazy. But why would you care if they installed cameras around the city? You shouldn't think of the internet as a private entity. It is public, no matter how secure it is. This is why you can't compare a bathroom to it, however, you can compare it to going out on the streets.

That's my point of view, and personal opinion on the matter. Cheers!
Just because something is made for public consumption does not mean it does not have private dimensions. Think of a city, as you said. A city is a public space, but your house in the city is private. Giving up all the data in your accounts online because "you have nothing to hide" is akin to opening the doors of your house in the city so random people can walk in and learn everything about you "because you have nothing to hide." As anonymous as the internet is, at the end of the day, it isn't really anonymous. People upload everything about their lives onto sites like Facebook, and that data should be protected.
tt400 wrote
Badieh wrote
samer wrote You are missing the point. It's not about having "nothing to hide", he should have the liberty to not disclose these things. If you close the bathroom door, does it mean that you are up to no good?
Here's a good piece debunking the argument: Why Privacy Matters Even if You Have 'Nothing to Hide'. Solove also wrote an academic paper on the subject.
Sorry to say this, but the comparison is a little off. Why not think of it this way, would you disclose your credit card information over this new "trusted" application that you are going to install? I highly doubt so. The day when the government would install cameras inside your house, that's when you would go crazy. But why would you care if they installed cameras around the city? You shouldn't think of the internet as a private entity. It is public, no matter how secure it is. This is why you can't compare a bathroom to it, however, you can compare it to going out on the streets.

That's my point of view, and personal opinion on the matter. Cheers!
Just because something is made for public consumption does not mean it does not have private dimensions. Think of a city, as you said. A city is a public space, but your house in the city is private. Giving up all the data in your accounts online because "you have nothing to hide" is akin to opening the doors of your house in the city so random people can walk in and learn everything about you "because you have nothing to hide." As anonymous as the internet is, at the end of the day, it isn't really anonymous. People upload everything about their lives onto sites like Facebook, and that data should be protected.
It should be protected from hackers, that's right, as your house should be protected from thievery. However, if the police come to your house with a search warrant. You are obliged to let them in showing them your house. This is if you want to think of it the way you thought of. However, my point was that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, provides the privacy you are looking for. Once it is on the internet, people are ought to get it in one way or another.
Badieh wrote
tt400 wrote
Badieh wrote
Sorry to say this, but the comparison is a little off. Why not think of it this way, would you disclose your credit card information over this new "trusted" application that you are going to install? I highly doubt so. The day when the government would install cameras inside your house, that's when you would go crazy. But why would you care if they installed cameras around the city? You shouldn't think of the internet as a private entity. It is public, no matter how secure it is. This is why you can't compare a bathroom to it, however, you can compare it to going out on the streets.

That's my point of view, and personal opinion on the matter. Cheers!
Just because something is made for public consumption does not mean it does not have private dimensions. Think of a city, as you said. A city is a public space, but your house in the city is private. Giving up all the data in your accounts online because "you have nothing to hide" is akin to opening the doors of your house in the city so random people can walk in and learn everything about you "because you have nothing to hide." As anonymous as the internet is, at the end of the day, it isn't really anonymous. People upload everything about their lives onto sites like Facebook, and that data should be protected.
It should be protected from hackers, that's right, as your house should be protected from thievery. However, if the police come to your house with a search warrant. You are obliged to let them in showing them your house. This is if you want to think of it the way you thought of. However, my point was that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, provides the privacy you are looking for. Once it is on the internet, people are ought to get it in one way or another.
Keyword: warrant. NSA has no such warrant over the private data on the internet.

And I understand your main point and I agree with it. The Internet is very unsafe for anyone who wants to remain private but you cannot knock off the need for privacy as if it's a dead case. We can still try to gain our privacy and fight for the freedoms and protections of the Internet. That's the whole point behind these programs and applications that try to protect you. They try. That's the point.