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I build cheap home/office computers that need no more than 200W to power the CPU, HDD board, and DVDRW and a fan. My problem is that the thing that's making my offers a bit expensive is due to the power supplies being expensive. A 400W PSU is $35+VAT, I'm looking for something low wattage yet not Chinese.


Anybody have any idea where I can find these?
if your thinking about good brand names your never gonna find those and if you do as you said 35$ is the cheapest it can ever get

Man i built or serviced many many computers and i always used chinese PSU for low end PCs and i never got real problems from them
i really advice you to stick to chinese ones 20,000 and your good to go
DNA wroteif your thinking about good brand names your never gonna find those and if you do as you said 35$ is the cheapest it can ever get

Man i built or serviced many many computers and i always used chinese PSU for low end PCs and i never got real problems from them
i really advice you to stick to chinese ones 20,000 and your good to go
I got clients having problems with MIT branded generic PSU's (MIT is one of the best ones out there when it comes to chinese) The computers are really unstable. All the machine does is simply sends a command to a machine to start laser cutting something. Frankly the program is constantly crashing.

I simply HATE Chinese or any generic thing in existence and most of my clients do as well.

There used to be FoxConn and CM cases with 400W PSUs included for like 48+VAT (30 for the case and 28 for the PSU I'm considering) so those were great. But they're all out of stock now.

Also about generic power supplies. They KILL components. Not to mention they blow up (I've had two blown up in my face) Watch this video to understand why it's important to use quality power supplies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCuKM6Ux4B4 <-- the PSU used here is actually a brand that just went cheap on some things (Now imagine the cheapness of a $15 PSU)

I'm guessing you don't stress test your machines to make sure they're 100% stable before sending them to clients?
AvoK95 wrote I'm guessing you don't stress test your machines to make sure they're 100% stable before sending them to clients?
You're trying to under estimate my knowledge when you say that but its ok :P, anyway i do test my machines before sending them out and all the computer and electronics that i build or service are flawless!

man you try to overkill every situation, i agree with you 100% that high quality branded power supplies are the best thing in the world and offers all the bells and whistles in terms of safety, efficiency, current stability etc.. but when you are building a LOW end pc that would barely draw 200watts and is not worth more than 200$ and we are talking business here its a terrible idea to charge a customer 40 or 50$ more for an overkill psu safety, i used lots and lots and lots of chinese psu in PCs, i wouldn't lie and tell you they are perfect compared to others, but for 200watt load they do their job more than perfectly!

do you think the hundreds of PCs in every company, university... use branded PSUs 80% of them use chinese ones and they rarely fail.
i still have a P4 3ghz with 2 HDDs, 2 Wlan cards that is running using a 300watt rated chinese Psu and its still running since P4 first came out with no UPS whatsoever thousands of random power losses, lightnings , electric fluctuations and its still running like a beast!

i see some of them fail from time to time yes.. and some blow up yes ( the blow up thing happens in all branded or Chinese equipment i can elaborate on the reason if you want) but i never ever ever saw a PSU taking out components with it when it dies because even though they are chinese they stick to the basic requirement in the atx design and all the ones that i have worked on had Feedback circuitry just like the branded ones but without the extra overkill protective stuff used to lower the chance of equipment loss. it happens but very rarely and it happens with branded ones too.

now to the video, with all my respect to what that guy is trying to say i don't agree with him (now your saying how stupid I am but wait!).
the only thing that i agree with him is that high $ PSUs are better than this one, but that doesn't mean this one is bad.

the guy started the test with a load of 1000watts on the PSU and thats because on anything less than that he couldn't see any difference from other PSUs so he decided to start the test where this psu is at a disadvantage so he can brag about the 280mv ripple on the 12volt rail which in my opinion a 280mv ripple is not that serious and any hardware part with the simplest filtering circuits would stabilize it even more. after that in the test he pointed out that there is a difference in the voltage between the PSU display and his active load volt meter he related it to the quality of the power supply which is also wrong, the difference is because of the voltage drop because of the wire's resistance when passing high current u know driving it at 1000watt so offcourse there will be a voltage drop between the beginning and end of the wire.
and at the end he said that the PSU failed, am gunna tell you that no it didn't fail its just that the PSU can't deliver more than 1000watts and he kept increasing the load so he seriously overloaded it, but the psu didn't fail, i think his active load decreased wattage this explains the drop to 680watt while the voltages kept stable.

long story short, this guy doesn't exactly know what he is doing or biased towards his sponsors, corsair in this video.

from what i saw in the test, and the way i read the numbers i would definitely use this power supply if i needed 850watts for my PC safely and without worrying at all.
DNA wrote
AvoK95 wrote I'm guessing you don't stress test your machines to make sure they're 100% stable before sending them to clients?
You're trying to under estimate my knowledge when you say that but its ok :P, anyway i do test my machines before sending them out and all the computer and electronics that i build or service are flawless!

man you try to overkill every situation, i agree with you 100% that high quality branded power supplies are the best thing in the world and offers all the bells and whistles in terms of safety, efficiency, current stability etc.. but when you are building a LOW end pc that would barely draw 200watts and is not worth more than 200$ and we are talking business here its a terrible idea to charge a customer 40 or 50$ more for an overkill psu safety, i used lots and lots and lots of chinese psu in PCs, i wouldn't lie and tell you they are perfect compared to others, but for 200watt load they do their job more than perfectly!

do you think the hundreds of PCs in every company, university... use branded PSUs 80% of them use chinese ones and they rarely fail.
i still have a P4 3ghz with 2 HDDs, 2 Wlan cards that is running using a 300watt rated chinese Psu and its still running since P4 first came out with no UPS whatsoever thousands of random power losses, lightnings , electric fluctuations and its still running like a beast!

i see some of them fail from time to time yes.. and some blow up yes ( the blow up thing happens in all branded or Chinese equipment i can elaborate on the reason if you want) but i never ever ever saw a PSU taking out components with it when it dies because even though they are chinese they stick to the basic requirement in the atx design and all the ones that i have worked on had Feedback circuitry just like the branded ones but without the extra overkill protective stuff used to lower the chance of equipment loss. it happens but very rarely and it happens with branded ones too.

now to the video, with all my respect to what that guy is trying to say i don't agree with him (now your saying how stupid I am but wait!).
the only thing that i agree with him is that high $ PSUs are better than this one, but that doesn't mean this one is bad.

the guy started the test with a load of 1000watts on the PSU and thats because on anything less than that he couldn't see any difference from other PSUs so he decided to start the test where this psu is at a disadvantage so he can brag about the 280mv ripple on the 12volt rail which in my opinion a 280mv ripple is not that serious and any hardware part with the simplest filtering circuits would stabilize it even more. after that in the test he pointed out that there is a difference in the voltage between the PSU display and his active load volt meter he related it to the quality of the power supply which is also wrong, the difference is because of the voltage drop because of the wire's resistance when passing high current u know driving it at 1000watt so offcourse there will be a voltage drop between the beginning and end of the wire.
and at the end he said that the PSU failed, am gunna tell you that no it didn't fail its just that the PSU can't deliver more than 1000watts and he kept increasing the load so he seriously overloaded it, but the psu didn't fail, i think his active load decreased wattage this explains the drop to 680watt while the voltages kept stable.

long story short, this guy doesn't exactly know what he is doing or biased towards his sponsors, corsair in this video.

from what i saw in the test, and the way i read the numbers i would definitely use this power supply if i needed 850watts for my PC safely and without worrying at all.
You are incredibly wrong in so many levels. I can't even...

Let's just agree to disagree. You do your own thing and I do my own.

Also read these:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/534
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1155165-examining-a-cheap-generic-power-supply/
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=123
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=154

Note that 3 out of 4 links are from the most reliable source you can get anywhere.

Also here are some results of Chinese power supplies:




First of all you obviously didn't understand my post correctly I DIDN'T IN ANYWAY SAY THAT CHINESE PSU THE ARE BEST OUT THERE i only said that they do their job right if it is used on low-end low power consumption PCs. and here is a quote to prove that
DNA wrote i wouldn't lie and tell you they are perfect compared to others, but for 200watt load they do their job more than perfectly!

and here is another quote
DNA wrote i agree with him is that high $ PSUs are better than this one
this is my comment on the images you provided as proof

The first image is just a closeup of a burnt motherboard nothing else can be concluded from it, it wasn't used in a thread related to PSUs.

The second image this happens but very very rarely and i am 100% sure that somewhere around the world a high quality Psu burst into flames. we see multi-million dollar machines, airplanes, cars burst into flames so as i said its something that happens not only on Chinese stuff although i can tell you the possibility is higher on Chinese stuff.

the third image is something that doesn't even relate to the quality if the internals of the PSU i have posted images like that from seasonic corsair and others.

the fourth is one is an epic fail AVOK95 this one has nothing to do in PSUs its just a bad batch of the Dell Gx270 motherboards in which Dell used bad capacitors and Dell admitted that there is a fault in their motherboards PLEASE READ CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU POST ...Lmao

I already said in my post that it can happen to all PSUs
DNA wrote i see some of them fail from time to time yes.. and some blow up yes..... it happens but very rarely and it happens with branded ones too.
and here you go images and threads of high quality PSUs going bang the internet is just full of these threads.

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1040083
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/corbell-ecustomer-service-center-166/loud-bang-seasonic-x-series-660w-psu-4376701.html
http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=111675

those pics are for corsair and seasonic


corsair epic fail


i could go on for ever...

One more time i am going to tell you that i wouldn't recommend chinese psu for a good build at all!
but for a cheap computer i will do it, i am sure lots of people reading this has a computer with a chinese psu that is still running till today, and lets say the psu failed you can easily replace it no big deal, and if by any chance it took a component with it (rarely happens) the loss is minimal.

Avok95 i really respect what you know but you can't tell i am "Incredibly wrong" you even have no background in electronics you can't just do that just by doing a 5 min Google search (which is the trend these days everyone just knows everything on every forum) and linking me to Linustechtips (who always say wrong things) or some other non reliable sources around the internet, i would only take an article seriously if it was written by someone like Stephen Hawking who provides scientific proofs not just his opinion. Man even Wikipedia is not a good reference.
please when you want to say that am incredibly wrong use your own knowledge i am arguing you not a random person on minecraftforum who has lots of wrong points am not going to get into or other articles written by regular people, but hey they didn't prove me wrong in anyway i already said and agree with lots of their points.
if you still think that i am incredibly wrong please quote exactly what i said and provide SCIENTIFIC or LOGICAL proofs with your knowledge or on sources that provide clear proof of what they claim.
DNA wroteFirst of all you obviously didn't understand my post correctly I DIDN'T IN ANYWAY SAY THAT CHINESE PSU THE ARE BEST OUT THERE i only said that they do their job right if it is used on low-end low power consumption PCs. and here is a quote to prove that i wouldn't lie and tell you they are perfect compared to others, but for 200 Watt load they do their job more than perfectly!

But they don't do their job. Their job is to provide with the wattage provided on the sticker, and the volts provided in the normal ATX standard with most of the power being in the 12 volt rail. And they don't do that. I have a brand new system in a workshop that can't even handle a printer driver with only a 77W TDP i3 CPU out of which it's not even using 20 Watts while running the software.
DNA wroteThe first image is just a closeup of a burnt motherboard nothing else can be concluded from it, it wasn't used in a thread related to PSUs.
I have personally experienced that with one of my own motherboards due to a PSU issue.
DNA wroteThe second image this happens but very very rarely and i am 100% sure that somewhere around the world a high quality Psu burst into flames. we see multi-million dollar machines, airplanes, cars burst into flames so as i said its something that happens not only on Chinese stuff although i can tell you the possibility is higher on Chinese stuff.
We humans blow up as well if we're bombed. Does that make us in any way related to power supplies? And no. No high quality power supply blows up. Because 1- They actually are under rated. For example a 1200W PSU should be able to provide up to 1350 or even 1400W of power when it's being rated at 80Plus or above. And 2- these power supplies will turn themselves off when even if the voltage drops below 12.00 volts or 3.3 volts etc..
DNA wrotethe third image is something that doesn't even relate to the quality if the internals of the PSU i have posted images like that from seasonic corsair and others.
That is caused by too much power being needed by the motherboard 24-pin and the wires are just too crappy to provide the power it needs. Those PSUs you've saw are from an old age, when some motherboards actually didn't have the power being supplied to them as they needed it. Therefore they burned out. This can be caused by a bad PCIE power connection as well. And ofc, high quality power supplies don't necessarily means that they come with high quality cables. There's a standard for that as well, which is not followed by Chinese PSUs as well. This doesn't happened anymore with quality stuff because motherboard manufacturers have added a second 4 pin header or actually a Molex/SATA or even a PCIE 6 or 8 pin on the motherboard itself.
DNA wrotethe fourth is one is an epic fail AVOK95 this one has nothing to do in PSUs its just a bad batch of the Dell Gx270 motherboards in which Dell used bad capacitors and Dell admitted that there is a fault in their motherboards PLEASE READ CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU POST ...Lmao
Those happen rarely with quality power supplies. and when they happened they're caused by crappy motherboard quality, and capacitor quality. Nowadays we don't have to worry about it too much, because they're not as crappy as they used to be. I have replaced 16 capacitors on a computer that was running a low end GPU and a Celeron CPU for 8+ years.

The Dell Optiplex GX280, had bad PSU issues as well as crappy motherboard issues.
DNA wrotei see some of them fail from time to time yes.. and some blow up yes..... it happens but very rarely and it happens with branded ones too.
Make that every time. It happens much more often than you thing. And each blow up can be critical to other components inside the system. And no body but is you is to blame for providing the client with the PSU in the first place.
Why don't you read the threads and discover how those PSUs have been defects and have been replaced. Not to mention the chance of user error is quite high. I provided you with links from professional people who's jobs are to test power supplies and you provided me with forum links that are years old lol.
DNA wroteOne more time i am going to tell you that i wouldn't recommend chinese psu for a good build at all!
but for a cheap computer i will do it, i am sure lots of people reading this has a computer with a chinese psu that is still running till today, and lets say the psu failed you can easily replace it no big deal, and if by any chance it took a component with it (rarely happens) the loss is minimal.

I wouldn't recommend them to even run a single ODD drive. Forum member shant had a completely brand new WD Black that died on him because of a crappy PSU cable (Yes the PSU was in fact Chinese) The cables were shredded and were shorted and were very hard to tell. Those people who are running Chinese power supplies are having weird USB connection issues, OS issues and BSOD and driver issues which is eventually killing the motherboard or RAM or GPU or all of them together. 6 out of 7 people had their RAM changed due to a Chinese PSU and 7 out of 7 people had instability and other weird issues which got solved by changing the PSU to a Gigabyte 400W 80Plus Certified PSU. Some didn't even have a GPU installed, they were simply Pentium Processors with 4GB of RAM. And Holy Molly were they running unstable. We are considered to be computer manufacturers because we build and sell computers. We should follow manufacturer standards which are basics quality check and insure the systems are 100% stable. And NO! Do NOT stress test on Chinese power supplies. They might run great for 24 hours. But after the stress test, the voltages can go MUCH more unstable and cause all sorts of messes. Which frankly I don't want to deal. My clients come to me because they know I don't work with generic components. Those who do want generic components, I simply tell them that I in no way will be held responsible of any damage nor will support the product or the PC in any way. If they agree to that, sure ofc I'll use generic ones. At the end of the day I need the money and they need the components. When I want to sell low end computers with my own brand name, in no way I'll use Chinese power supplies. Maybe I'll use generic RAM, or generic Toshiba HDD or ODD drives, but even those have brand name and engineers who work on the product and support it. Whereas Chinese PSU's don't. I would go with Lite-On or ANY branded generic power supply. They might not be the best out there like you said, but they will get the job done without causing any damage. HP, Dell, Lenovo and other manufacturers use this brand PSUs on their machines and they're simply working great.
DNA wroteAvok95 i really respect what you know but you can't tell i am "Incredibly wrong" you even have no background in electronics you can't just do that just by doing a 5 min Google search (which is the trend these days everyone just knows everything on every forum) and linking me to Linustechtips (who always say wrong things) or some other non reliable sources around the internet, i would only take an article seriously if it was written by someone like Stephen Hawking who provides scientific proofs not just his opinion. Man even Wikipedia is not a good reference.
please when you want to say that am incredibly wrong use your own knowledge i am arguing you not a random person on minecraftforum who has lots of wrong points am not going to get into or other articles written by regular people, but hey they didn't prove me wrong in anyway i already said and agree with lots of their points.
if you still think that i am incredibly wrong please quote exactly what i said and provide SCIENTIFIC or LOGICAL proofs with your knowledge or on sources that provide clear proof of what they claim.
I have no electronics background? I have been working with electronics since I was 6 years old. Is 13 years enough for you? No? Well how about me telling you that, people like Linus, or people who wrote those Wiki articles and made branded videos, are people who actually have a degree in IT. They actually studied these things and are correcting the wrong things we know about them for our own good. Linus only made 1 wrong video of which he actually made another video in correcting it. LinusTechTips is not 1 guy. They are a group of 5 or 6 or more people. All of them having degrees in IT, CS, and some being CCE graduates. Not to mention slick has a degree in Networking and A+. You having no actual paper proving your background, have no right in any way to say these people are wrong and you are right.

If you read what I wrote I specifically stated:
AvoK95 wrote Note that 3 out of 4 links are from the most reliable source you can get anywhere.
And you linking me to Overclockers forums or other forums are just as random as minecraft forums. They're all people with no background. Whereas the other links are from people who's job is to actually review, test and certify power supplies.

Scientific proofs are not needed in these kinds of situations because people already have the common sense to say "hmm, makes sense". However if you still want proof. You can easily find them if you do your research properly. All these people making videos like TTL or LTT, do those research and make sure the information is correct before posting, because people out there are monsters and will bash them with the kitchen sink if even a word is spelled wrong.

Like I said in the previous post. You do your own thing and I'll do mine. Instead of both of us arguing.

You simply provided me with a suggestion which I simply didn't choose to take. Can we move on? Thank you.
Actually i reached a point where i don't know about what exactly are you arguing me, you are defending branded PSU and i know that they are better,I am not arguing you because you didn't take my suggestion, its your choice after all. i am only arguing because when i posted my suggestion you replied back with a lesson for me about PSUs backed up with the a video that simply was wrong, yet your "common sense" and knowledge made you think its 100% legit, this is what made me start an argument.

keep doing what you do cause its not my job to give free lessons around forums and from now on i won't bother myself in anything because its starting to give me headaches. This is going to be my last post on this thread and i can tell you good luck in finding a 200watt branded PSU for 20$ and if you didn't you can charge your customers 50$ more for a their "cheap" PC.

At the end you're "computer manufacturers" yea i have seen lots of custom manufactured computer cases, with specially designed motherboards and power supply with a glowing AVOK logo on them hahahaha.

who reads the stickers on these PSUs i know that they can't deliver the wattage claimed on the sticker thats for sure but for the voltages yes sir they do i personally tested every computer under stress and the lowest number i ever saw was 11.6v in which i replaced that PSU for a larger one. for the ATX standard part no your wrong the old ATX standard states that the PSU should give plenty of amperage on the 5v rail because old computer generation used to power the CPU from the 5 volt rail that was before you was born, but now the new ATX standards states what you say. computers use the 12v rail for almost everything and it's the VRM circuitry on the motherboard job to lower the voltage to precise values for the cpu to use, so even if the PSU dips a bit in voltage the VRM is capable in correcting that no problem.

now Cmon man! a PSU that can't handle a printer driver running now thats a first for me am sure the manufacturer have forgot to install all the mosfets in the unit lol or your just using the crappiest PSU in existance that i don't even think its chinese, maybe syrian made who knows :P

go test this yourself turn on a Chinese power supply and short out the 12 volt rail or if you have a variable load of some sort i bet you 100$ that it will automatically shutdown and not burst into flames because of high output current.
and no chinese PSU dont always fail and its something that every person knows,and no not every system is unstable because of the psu.

if you have the nerves to do it turn on a pc with this crappy chinese PSU u have and while its running short out the 12v rail on any connector, the PC will simply turn off and this time also i will bet a 100$ that nothing will happen to the pc and i am serious with the bet.

for the blow up thing did you understand what i am trying to say? my point is even is a piece of hardware is of very high quality could blow and we see that all the time, high quality PSUs don't blow ???? how can you know that yes they blow nothing is invincible there are thousands of high qaulity PSUs blowing up on the internet. man if a simple transistor shorts out it can make a pop sound and flash before the fuse blows.

you said that the threads i linked you to are too old, guess what man i only grabbed what i can find i checked them now and they are very recent do you consider 2013 or 2012 old in terms of PSU evolution Come on man thats non sense, and i only posted them not because i want a proof for what i am saying but only to show you that high quality ones go bang it is not necessary to read what happened after that if it was defective or there was a user error. btw if there are that high numbers of defective units what does that tell you about the quality of manufacturing, quality control and most important safety ?

now here comes the funny part have you checked the dates on your links before writing this .. they are from 2008-2009 u must be kidding right now that's what i call old information :P

wait wait you posted an image for a burnt connector to say how bad chinese PSUs are , yet when i post the same exact images for Seasonic and Corsair you blame it on the wires and motherboard are you a fan boy or something???(btw you deserve a clap for finding the actual reason for the melting here :D)

For the third image, you found your way out good job! blaming it on a quality PSU provided by DELL (hahahahah contadiction)
man DELL themselves admitted that its a faulty batch of motherboards, you don't believe DELL??? we have a problem here.

you have 13 years of background in electronics, i am sure by electronics you mean operating some stuff and replacing computer parts.
I spent years and years learning about electronics, computers, mechanics,chemistry, even human anatomy and genetics (that explains my nickname), and what i mean about electronics is deeper than that i mean circuit analysis and chip level repairs on all electronics let it be an HD tv,smart phone, or a damn motherboard, Designing and building my own 600watt ac inverter for house, converting a chinese PSU to run on 12vdc directly when there is a power loss for more than 4 hours on a 60amp battery and with over 90% efficiency(although i am still in the process of creating it i can update you with my progress) creating my own DC-AC welding machine, workbench variable voltage power supply, a 150000 Volt generator, overclocking routers and computerized devices by means of clock generators and crystals, simulating an arduino on my PC and whats interesting is that i can use the Parallel port as I/O for my simulated Atmega chip very few has achieved this, i can fix Cars, diagnose engines and electrical problems, and lots and lots of other things that i don't want to mention here.

You know how to inject wireless packets on Linux right ?? probably yes every geek knows that, but how many of you have actually injected Wlan packets on WINDOWS???? i think very very few around the world did that, i managed to monitor and inject packets yes using my windows machine, which essentially can't be done because of Microsoft doesn't allow and implemented some limitations on windows and its kernel.

i even proved AMDs experts wrong found a problem in their Driver (catalyst 13.2) and reported it and the guys at AMD replied back saying they will fix it in the next release and i checked the next release and found that they changed the exact same piece of code i told them about.

I proved lots of my university professors wrong many many times and they admit it.while other students was just like yea this is 100% correct because he is the "professor" and has many many "paper work" proving his background.

one time my relative was showing me the medicine her doctor prescribed to her for me to check if they are good or bad, and guess what i found out that 1 medicine dosage was wrong for her case, told my uncle about that and after further investigation it turned out that i am right and it was a pharmacist error. so yea i even prove doctors and pharmacists wrong

you say Wikipedia have experts i know that they are experts and believe me if i had the time or i can express myself well in english i would have started posting or expanding articles myself.

IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU AS A PERSONAL BACKGROUND OR DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW MY " PAPER WORK"?

So please man you have no right to offend me, after all that I can definitely say that Linus or slick or any person is wrong let it be an engineer or a doctor if what they say trips my physics,chemistry or electrical laws breaker.

i watch linus videos all the time just to know about the new stuff that is coming out his unboxings and reviews are great and helpful, but when he starts to talk how stuff works well here starts the bullshit.

your defending them like a little fanboy and guess what, if you think that Linus or slick knows more than you do in computers and they are your idol, then i can assure you that you're light years behind me in terms of electronics or computer knowledge.

you defend linus and slick by having A+ degrees in IT or networking well i can tell you neither an IT nor a networking guy has the minimum requirement for them to analyse an electronic circuitry they disassemble a power supply and they can't understand nothing except that it has "Japanese Capacitors" am quoting Linus and many others for this term.

not to mention how many people finish there degrees and not knowing anything about it. i have couple of CS friends like that, and i am sure the Programming guys around here knows that fact its not a matter of university degree its a matter of personal effort and having a good brain offcourse.

now you talk about how a person doesn't need scientific proof for such matters and its a matter of hummm "makes sense", lol this common sense that your talking about made you believe the youtube video that you sent me is 100% legit. nice one
Avok95 wroteThose who do want generic components, I simply tell them that I in no way will be held responsible of any damage nor will support the product or the PC in any way. If they agree to that, sure ofc I'll use generic ones. At the end of the day I need the money and they need the components.
Thank you for this sentence this is exactly what i am arguing with you about, and you said that you do it after all, this what i do with my customers when someone comes to me saying they want a new cheap PC i simply tell them the cheapest price i can offer, saying that there is no warranty on it in anyway and if they like they can upgrade the PSU for 40$ extra after that i can give them warranty, this is how business is supposed to be done.. and you know what 80% of the customers choose not to pay 40$ extra and buy accessories or a UPS instead, and everyone just thank me for how good the computers are

thank you for proving my point.

and yes you can move on now i won't bother anymore :)
This has gone long enough i guess, DNA as much as i admire your claimed life achievements, you still fail to grasp AvoK95's point here. And i agree with his point, but no real benefit in providing any actual backup to that point, avok95 already pointed out everything.