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Kicoverz

This is what I want to get :

Processor i7 3930K
VGA nVIDIA Quadro 4000K
mobo ASUS P9X79-LE
HD 2TB ST2000DM001 7200RPM S-ATA III 64MB
RAM CORSAIR Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Desktop Memory Model CMZ32GX3M4X1600C10
SSD Kingston HyperX 3K SH103S3/120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
PSU Thermaltake TPG-1050M ToughPower Grand 1050W PSU
DVDROM LG GH24NS90-24X DVDRW - Dual Layer SATA Black
CASE ThermalTake VN10006W2N Level 10 GT Snow Edition
Additional FAN Thermaltake AF0056 Longevity 12 Blue 12CM Case Fan
CPU FAN ThermalTake CLP0575 FrioOCK for LGA2011
Monitor LG IPS224T Wide 21.5" LED Full HD / Wide Viewing Angle
Keyboard Microsoft Wired Desktop 600 USB Key+Mouse Spill-Resistant Design
UPS PCE 2000 VA UPS XP Series 1200W (2x Batteries)

This is a workstation PC for 3D Production & Rendering.

My Question is very simple
Can you please recommend stores/dealers in Lebanon where I can buy this build?

AvoK95

pcandparts.com

And the thing I would change in the build is, get Kingston Hyper X Blue 4x8GB 1600MHz and an XFX 850W PSU. The CPU fan can be replaced with the stock cooler which you can buy separately for much cheap if you're not planning to OC.

Get a Cooler Master case. Thermaltake stuff is so cheaply made..

Kicoverz

AvoK95 wrotepcandparts.com

And the thing I would change in the build is, get Kingston Hyper X Blue 4x8GB 1600MHz and an XFX 850W PSU. The CPU fan can be replaced with the stock cooler which you can buy separately for much cheap if you're not planning to OC.

Get a Cooler Master case. Thermaltake stuff is so cheaply made..

Thanks for the feedback.
Actually, this rig above is from PcandParts.com

The thing is , the MB of my choice does not support any of the RAM available at their website, In fact, the only one that can go up to 32Gb on 4 Slots in a quad channel set up is the Corsair I mentioned in the setup above, but, unfortunately , PcandParts don't have them.

My first choice was the Kingston until I noticed the compatibility issue.

Actually, CoolerMaster is amazing, I was going for the CM Trooper which is a beast , but pcandparts sells it for 400$ , whereas the equally well reviewed "ThermalTake VN10006W2N Level 10 GT Snow Edition" - [My bad, I posted the old Case choice in the top, I will fix that now] is for 300$, and it is very well reviewed on newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133192

As for the PSU, I do have a future plan of adding 2 additional monitors and another VGA , so , I am making enough room for them from now. Btw ,How much Amps would that PSU consume ? I wanna know if its gonna make problems for me running on the "Ishtirak" ? :P

The CPU Fan is very HUGE, I think i will need to change it because i read from reviews that its size simply overlaps the RAMs , I would have to remove RAM slots to fit it. So I might go with a Corsair liquid Cooler, but PCandParts themselves warned me against it because they said the pipes sometimes burst, and you don't want any liquid spilling on such Expensive equipment. I will c what I can do about that.
Yes, I do need the CPU Cooler because I do intend to OC.

AvoK95

The motherboard you chose appears to be N/A, I think you could be better off with the GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI It uses a Intel C606 Chipset, which is actually meant for workstations.

Don't worry about the RAM, sometimes manufactures don't put all the RAM that their motherboard supports. RAM is not considered to be something which can be "incompatible" anyway.. RAM is RAM, as long as it works and does its job, it's fine.. Hyper X RAMs are the best RAMs you can get for a workstation. These things never die.

The Cooler Master CM Storm Trooper SGC-5000-KKN1 is $228 + VAT which is insanely better than the Level 10. Trust me man, stay away from Thermaltake, they make the cheapest products.

For the PSU, you can still settle for the XFX 1050W. XFX PSUs are manufactured by Seasonic, who are one of the best PSU makers in the market. They are the best you can get in Lebanon.

Amps are calculated like this: Wattage/AC power. In your case 1050W/220 = ~ 4.8Amps. Remember! This is if it's loaded at maximum, which it won't be and 850W will still be fine for you. Overkilling on power supply wattage actually can give you less efficiency. PSUs are rated at 80Plus efficiency meaning when 80% is loaded it will still run efficient meaning the voltages and currents will stay stable, however they say nothing about low usage of the PSU. So it's better to get an 850W PSU in your case even though you're going to use 2 graphics cards (It's not called VGA, VGA is an interface) Lots of people here are running high end graphics card in CrossFire on 850W power supplies. New cards don't use that much power as the older ones did. But 1050W could be fine as well. So it's your call.

I think you should just use the stock cooler and wait for them to restock on the liquid cooler. The liquid cooler is manufactured by AceTek which are again one of the best ones in the market for coolers. The HyperX RAMs won't be as high as Corsair RAMs so I think you'll be fine. But you should double check just to be sure..

As for the UPS, use this tool to know what UPS to buy. If you use a 1050W PSU and considering a 30W monitor, you should get something between 1550VA and 2200VA. Go for brands like PCE, Tripple-Lite, APC or MGE.

ILIA_93

AvoK95 wrote Amps are calculated like this: Wattage/AC power. In your case 1050W/220 = ~ 4.8Amps.
If you use a 1050W PSU and considering a 30W monitor, you should get something between 1550VA and 2200VA.

Excuse me Avo, but P(W)=V*I*cos(Φ) since it's 1050"W" and not "VA". So I=1050/(220*0.8)≈ 6A. That's without the monitor, speakers and the PSU battery charging (Occasionally). For the UPS: S(VA)=P/cos(Φ)=1200/0.8≈1500VA.
If you know your installation power factor (probably hovering around 0.8), and your exact voltage (Just over 220V), you can find out exactly the current draw, but better be safe than sorry later, get a more powerful UPS, just to make sure it can support the total load, and do not fail during sudden power outage.
As for your concern about the private power supplier (Ishtirak), reserve around 7A for your complete workstation when it's under load.

Have a nice weekend guys...
Regards :)

Kicoverz

Mobo: you know, you actually had me double check the MB, although it is for 416$ compared to a 320$ on the Asus. The MB did get more bad reviews than the Asus one , see here : (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050001315%2040000280&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=280|13-128-563^13-128-563-TS%2C13-131-855^13-131-855-TS&percm=13-131-855%3A%24%24%24%2420%24%24%24)

-As for the Chip set, I had no idea it made a difference, but I did post a new thread at (http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1668056/chipset-choose-workstations-rig.html) to see what others might have to say about it. Thanks for the note.

>RAM : I wanna believe you, It would definitely make things a lot easier. But I have read a lot of problems concerning compatibility issues with RAM, some people bought very expensive RAM and when they placed them on the MB they wouldn't read, when they consult the Support team of that brand, they always ask if they used the QVL (Qualified Vendors List) when they chose the RAM, if they didn't , the Support team simply takes no responsibility. You see why It is a concern for me.

>Case: you are right, I think they changed the price from a week ago when I last assembled the build(Good for me, thanks to you). And yes, you are right, the material of the case did sound a bit too Plastic-y (cheap) when i saw the presentation video of it compared to the Cooler Master one which is more solid, actual metal instead of plastic material, so yes, I will go for the CM. Thank you

>PSU: My first choice also was the XFX but because I wanted to get the TT Case, I thought they might go better together. But I think i will take your advise on the matter, the XFX did look a lot more pro than the TT ones.

>CPU FAN: unfortunately, the processor does not come with a stock FAN. So , yes, I do have to get my own fan for it, and if I will go with the Kingston ram, then the TT CPU FAN shouldn't be a problem, but If i chose the Corsair which are high profile with complex design, then they simply won't fit together. It all depends on the Mb first. [ Is this what you meant by stock cooler or did i misunderstand you ]

@ILIA_93
>UPS: My current UPS is a PCE 2000 VA UPS XP Series 1200W, according to your calculations i need 1500 VA, this PSU supplies 2000VA, shouldn't it be enough already?!

ILIA_93

Kicoverz wrote@ILIA_93
>UPS: My current UPS is a PCE 2000 VA UPS XP Series 1200W, according to your calculations i need 1500 VA, this PSU supplies 2000VA, shouldn't it be enough already?!

Yes, it is. What I meant is get a more powerful UPS comparing to the 1500"VA" value. Sorry for the unclarity :S

Regards :)

yasamoka

Kicoverz, don't worry about the RAM. You will be fine.

Memory compatibility issues used to happen a few years ago maybe. Now, not much. RAM speeds, latencies, and capacities have been pretty much standardized. You aren't running 2400MHz+ RAM to be worried about whether it will run at its rated speeds (high speeds need OC mostly) or not.

Kicoverz

@Everyone:
Thank you for your input. They really helped me improve my build and make sure I get the most stable one.

Now, about those other Lebanese PC shops? other than pcandparts.com , what would you suggest ? where did you get your rig from ?
PS: it could be anywhere in Lebanon, not just Beirut.
Thanks

chassis

you could try http://www.macrotronics.net/ (they have got some killer deals...) they have the Kingston HyperX 120gb ssd which i believe is better than the hyperx 3k ... you can also try www.microcityweb.com , and (http://www.diamond-lb.com/) and (http://microtechstore.com/)

AvoK95

pcandparts seems to have the best deals out of all of them. Macrotronics has expensive shipping.

DNA

AvoK95 wroteAmps are calculated like this: Wattage/AC power. In your case 1050W/220 = ~ 4.8Amps. Remember! This is if it's loaded at maximum, which it won't be and 850W will still be fine for you. Overkilling on power supply wattage actually can give you less efficiency. PSUs are rated at 80Plus efficiency meaning when 80% is loaded it will still run efficient meaning the voltages and currents will stay stable, however they say nothing about low usage of the PSU.

Actually this is wrong, first of all 80plus efficiency means what is the PSU efficiency when converting from input to the output meaning that how much from the input power do you see on the output rails without being lost as heat(or other forms of wasted energy) and it should have an 80 plus efficiency from 20% till 100% load for example an 80plus Bronze certified psu should have between 80% and 85% efficiency when on 20% to 100% max load, and 80plus Platinum should be more the 90% efficient from 20% till 100% max load.

and according to this a 1050watt 80plus Bronze Psu should consume 5.89 amps at 100% load at 220V, while an 1050watt 80plus Platinum PSU would consume 5.24 amps at 100% load at 220V

and also 80plus efficiency doesn't mean you get stable current and voltage, you can get a 50% efficient PSU for example and still get stable output voltage and current, the only side effect would be more heat and more power draw for the same output wattage

AvoK95

Well, I don't know if I'm 100% right or not. I followed this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXTZizoknc

DNA

This video sums up what i said but i think you didn't understand him quite well :P , anyway Linus is an idiot 30% of the things he say are absolutely wrong, don't take his videos as a reference technical wise.

yasamoka

Highest efficiency is at around 50% load on a PSU. Both low load and high load have lower efficiency than at 50% load.

A sweet spot for having a good balance between efficiency, lifespan, wattage & cost would be to get the PSU such that max load would load it up to 70% of its maximum output.

However, premium PSUs like XFX and Corsair offer long warranties. 5 years warranty on the XFX means that it can take at least 5 years of 24/7 usage at 100% load, as this is still within spec. So I wouldn't lose much sleep over it honestly.