haidcar wrotei am sure these lags fixable in software updates. the "lower" scores that people are getting are because of the increased resolution 1280*720 vs 960*540. In the end the Tegra 3 cpu is very powerful cpu and i think i would wait a bit because i am sure htc is aware of these bugs and working on a fix by now
Some of these benchmarks are purely CPU-based and not related to resolution in any way. For example, the Linpack benchmark. The dual core Krait in the One S has more than twice the performance per core. This means that disregarding multi-threading issues in ANY benchmark, the dual core Krait is overall faster compared to the quad core in Tegra 3. In single-threaded and dual-threaded applications, the Krait would offer more than double the performance. It is only in applications that would REQUIRE 4 threads for multiple calculations at once (Physics thread, AI thread, etc...) where the quad core would be beneficial. Considering that on Desktops we are barely using quads, and that mobile phone developers still have to code for the lowest common denominator, let alone a blazing fast newer gen dual core, the quad core is a power hog you are stuck with simply because you want Tegra 3 graphics performance.

Do remember what happened to Tegra 2. It went extinct fast with new phones in 2011.
Benchmarks on Android varies on the roms used, with the Sensation I can get up to 1000pts difference between Sense and CM roms
vegetaleb wroteBenchmarks on Android varies on the roms used, with the Sensation I can get up to 1000pts difference between Sense and CM roms
We're talking stock ROMs here. And Linpack. Not Quadrant. And two phones running the same ROM.
all android manufacturers rushed to quad core except for sony. i'd rather have dual core cortex A15 rather than quad core Cortex A9.
djunited wroteall android manufacturers rushed to quad core except for sony. i'd rather have dual core cortex A15 rather than quad core Cortex A9.
This, although Sony used Cortex A9 in the Xperia S xD
how much you guys think SG2 is worth today?
yasamoka wrote
djunited wroteall android manufacturers rushed to quad core except for sony. i'd rather have dual core cortex A15 rather than quad core Cortex A9.
This, although Sony used Cortex A9 in the Xperia S xD
Yes. they decided to skip quad core until 2013. bad move with the xperia s
yasamoka wrote
vegetaleb wroteBenchmarks on Android varies on the roms used, with the Sensation I can get up to 1000pts difference between Sense and CM roms
We're talking stock ROMs here. And Linpack. Not Quadrant. And two phones running the same ROM.
As I said already both stock roms of One S and X are beta if not + 1.28
So it's unfair to say quad cpu are slow.
Yes Xerxes and it will be 620/630$ next tuesday, 570$ in 2 weeks...
I think it's better to wait for the release of the new Samsung S3 before getting any device right now.
If you can wait another 3-4 months...
What make me laugh alot these days are Lebanese non-geek people who say ''just wait for iphone 5 and you will see how powerfull it will be'' or ''it will be transparent'', what they don't understand is that even apple employees don't know how it will be and look before its released.
Also it's very easy to say that a phone that will come in 5 months will be better(not always true btw) that's why I say ''then wait till the One X II is out and it will crush the hell out of the iphone 5 lol''
haha, totally true. you can spend your life waiting.
for me it's only about androids. iphone is not an option
but i think that Samsung most probably will be the best phone released and its coming out in may, so it's worth waiting .
Dude samsung said it will be unveiled in May, release date will be at least a month later
xerxes wrotehow much you guys think SG2 is worth worth today?
465$ latest price .
@vegetaleb: They are both new CPUs. Scores will not vary wildly with Linpack. Why did the new dual core which was just introduced beat the Tegra 3, which is already on tablets? Why not the dual core getting faster? It doesn't work that way. The quad core is based on Cortex A9, which has been on the market for quite a long time. If anything, it's the Kraits that should suffer because of the new architecture. But they don't.

Face it, a quad core based on last-gen architecture is slower.
Again you are talking Android world here not old nokia and motorola phones!
There will be plenty of FW updates,custom roms and kernels that will boost the quad core by 200%
vegetaleb wroteAgain you are talking Android world here not old nokia and motorola phones!
There will be plenty of FW updates,custom roms and kernels that will boost the quad core by 200%
Android isn't magic! You can only have so much optimizations. Are you serious that you think the quad will boost by 200%? I don't think you're even reading my posts. The Quad core is based on Cortex A9. OK? Running 1 or 2 cores of that Cortex A9, on whatever ROM, is like running a single core or dual core CPU based on the Cortex A9. You are ignoring the other cores, which are idling. It's as if you're running the S2's CPU, for example, but at a higher clock speed (1.5GHz vs 1.2GHz). With THOSE benchmarks, of a recent architecture, which has been in the market for A YEAR at least, has been beaten by a NEW architecture, on a NEW ROM, with a lot of bugs, by MORE than 200%. Meaning PER CORE, Krait is MORE than twice as fast, AT LEAST. HENCE: pure math: A dual core Krait is faster than a Quad Core Tegra 3 CPU. All the world has already come to that conclusion. It's time you did.

EDIT: also, if a single threaded Linpack score on the quad matches a single threaded Linpack score on the dual cores based on Cortex A9, then it is impossible for the Quad to score two times more, at the same clockspeed. @1.5GHz, it could score 25% higher scores than a 1.2GHz dual core in single threaded benchmarks.
yasamoka wrote
haidcar wrotei am sure these lags fixable in software updates. the "lower" scores that people are getting are because of the increased resolution 1280*720 vs 960*540. In the end the Tegra 3 cpu is very powerful cpu and i think i would wait a bit because i am sure htc is aware of these bugs and working on a fix by now
Some of these benchmarks are purely CPU-based and not related to resolution in any way. For example, the Linpack benchmark. The dual core Krait in the One S has more than twice the performance per core. This means that disregarding multi-threading issues in ANY benchmark, the dual core Krait is overall faster compared to the quad core in Tegra 3. In single-threaded and dual-threaded applications, the Krait would offer more than double the performance. It is only in applications that would REQUIRE 4 threads for multiple calculations at once (Physics thread, AI thread, etc...) where the quad core would be beneficial. Considering that on Desktops we are barely using quads, and that mobile phone developers still have to code for the lowest common denominator, let alone a blazing fast newer gen dual core, the quad core is a power hog you are stuck with simply because you want Tegra 3 graphics performance.

Do remember what happened to Tegra 2. It went extinct fast with new phones in 2011.
true linpack measures the MFLOPS generated by the CPU and true S4 scores higher than Tera 3, but that doesn't mean the Tera 3 is slow. i am just saying that the lags that some one x experience could be the result of poor hardware software optimization that could be fixed in software updates.

Tera 2 was not very popular not because it was slow actually it was the second fastest Soc available after samsung's UNIX Soc, it was the limited modem support that Coy offered made manufacturers choose qualcomm S3 instead which supported wider range of modems.
yashmak wrote
disunited wroteall android manufacturers rushed to quad core except for Sony. I'd rather have dual core cortex A15 rather than quad core Cortex A9.
This, although Sony used Cortex A9 in the xperia DxD
the xperia S uses qualcomm S3 Soc which is simply 2 scorpion cores from the S2 Soc put together with an improved Adrien 220 GP. that's why the difference between S2 and S3 Soc are not big and the performance wise they are very similar.

Unlike Samung sung and TI, Qualcomm takes the arm architecture and heavily modify it to the point where you cant really say that that S3 is cortex A9 and S4 is Cortex A15.

As a matter of fact the S2 and the S3 are from the same arthur and they are similar and both kind of belong to the cortex A8 family not the A9. Arm skipped the A9 architecture.

The S4 sits between the A9 and A15, but its closer to the A15 than the A9 in terms of performance. some of the S4 strong points that it uses 28nm design which should silver more power efficiency and performance and less heat.

I am also waiting to the see the real Arm cortex A15 SoCs, they should offer almost the computing power to today's computer CPUs
Battery life getting worse and worse with my Xperia x10

Even tried all sorts of custom Roms

get like 7 hours max; just light use with 3G on and MOST of the time its on standby - i don't even dare just browsing through some apps

Dunno if i should wait for more price drops on the HTC One x or just use a backup phone :S
@haidcar: yes I agree with the valid points you've made. There is no valid reason the quad core should cause any lag. There are most probably other reasons. The Quad still competes with the S4, there's no doubt about that, but at the expense of power efficiency (as you said, S4 is 28nm), and worse single- and double-threaded performance (this comes with all multi-core CPUs).

EDIT: Comparable to what Computer CPUs? The Core i7 920, when OCed to around 4GHz, is capable of pushing 50GFLOPS in Linpack. Current i7's (SB-E hexacores) OC 20% higher and have a newer architecture (30%-50% more performance per core per clock cycle), and have 6 cores vs 4 cores (another 50%). It is safe to say they are more than 3 times as powerful. 150GFLOPS? Mobile CPUs are 500-1000 times slower (no surprise, they are mobile CPUs).