yasamoka
@rolf: The biggest difference between HDDs and SSDs is the random access as you said, but also the SSDs trounce the HDDs in sequential reads / writes (when comparing to HDD RAID 0, the difference becomes less, but let's compare that to SSD RAID0 shall we? :D). There was an article over at tomshardware that showed that not all game loading is sequential. In such cases, games benefit GREATLY from SSDs. Of course, sequential benefits too, but in a linear fashion probably.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-rift-ssd,3062.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-gaming-performance,2991.html
Yes, there should always be a backup. I learned that the hard way. :P
ROG store? Yes that's his name. Specializes in top-end hardware.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Republic-of-Gamers-Store/215692111791867
Some really interesting articles about SSD performance:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/video-editing-performance-ssd-hdd,3089.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/solid-state-drive-work-tests,3064.html
shant
open bench ftw
Beej
Custom plexi case, ill do it soon when i have a RIG thats worth it, FTMFW. ;)
Khaled
I still maintain that the price of SSDs is waaay too high, only when they become MUCH cheaper will i consider one.
And an open bench or plexi case would be amazing, but lets be reasonable, no 1000$ system would be unworthy of one lol.
now i have a technical question, as u have read i have a sapphire 6870, question is, i have a XFX 6950 that i got from a friend, and its new in the box, before i open it i want to know can i crossfire it with my current card or i cant ? my power-suplly is enough i guess to handle them ( XFX pro series 850 W ) and my board can handle it ( P8P67 pro ) so only thing left to know is will they actually work together or no ?
btw sorry i didnt asnwer before i didnt have the chance, i have to thank you fr yr replies i appreciate it
shant
in order to achieve sli or crossfire 2 gpu's must be the same chip, now im not sure if those 2 cards share the same chip with less cores or 2 different ones (probably not)
The-MMMs
if its not compatible just sell the card and buy a good cheap nvidia one that has PhysX
along with the 6870 it should be good
yasamoka
shant wrotein order to achieve sli or crossfire 2 gpu's must be the same chip, now im not sure if those 2 cards share the same chip with less cores or 2 different ones (probably not)
They do not share the same chip. It's a different design. Crossfire is not possible between those cards.
Khaled
Ok thanks for the responses, as The-MMMs said, ill just sell it
yasamoka
What? You want to sell the 6950 and keep the 6870? And no i dont recommend you get a physX card except if you have a specific game in mind that you want to run with physX.
Khaled
well if i am gona sell the 6870 i will have to sell it at a used-object cost, the 6950 is still in the box, so i dno u think i should keep the 6950 ?
The-MMMs
come to think of it you can:
Sell the 6850 and put the money aside to save, or buy some HDD or SSD
Sell both the 6850 and 6870 and get a card that is better than any (although the 6870 is good enough)
Don't do anything and just admire the card.
As for the PhysX thing it was just a suggestion - most recently it can be used in Batman Arkham City so yeah not a lot of games
AvoK95
1. 69xx series only can be CF with 69xx series, so no with 68xx and 69xx.
2. Running dual cards (x16 and x4) is a bad idea, the 2nd slot will badly hurt the card performance.
3. Single powerful card is your only solution. Stay with HD6870 or get a new single "more" powerful card like GTX580/HD6970.
There is a 90$ 64GB Kingston SSD in PcandParts , it really seems cheap and will not get any cheaper than that especially in Lebanon
yasamoka
AvoK95 wrote1. 69xx series only can be CF with 69xx series, so no with 68xx and 69xx.
2. Running dual cards (x16 and x4) is a bad idea, the 2nd slot will badly hurt the card performance.
3. Single powerful card is your only solution. Stay with HD6870 or get a new single "more" powerful card like GTX580/HD6970.
There is a 90$ 64GB Kingston SSD in PcandParts , it really seems cheap and will not get any cheaper than that especially in Lebanon
Single powerful card is not the only solution. If he runs at x8 / x8, there will be no bottleneck whatsoever. GTX 580's aren't bottlenecked by x8.
AvoK95
That only needs to be written "Best" , sorry it was a typo
Not all cards bottleneck by an x8 PCIe connector , but most cards will because only half of the speed is being used.
Beej
^ As shant said, but for AMD its a bit different.
In nvidia's case you CANNOT sli 2 DIFFERENT gpus altogether. You can mix between brands and clocksppeds and even vram (but both gpus will run on the specs of the 1ry gpu and vram will become equal to the lowest).
For example an evga gtx 460 2g @ 850mhz with gigabyte gtx 460 1g 675 mhz. The system will run at evga's speed( if its the 1ry gpu) but will mirror only 1g of ram. Also the gigabyte will overclock itself to match evga, but might not be stable and require some voltage tweaking.
But AMD you can crossfire to "same gpu'ed family" but not different families. i.e. you can xfire a 6970 with 6950, 6950 with 6990, 6970 with 6990, 6870 with 6850, 6870x2 with 6870... All combos are doable and will perform well but the condition must be the same gpu family.
6950: Cayman gpu
6870: Barts gpu
2 different families = doesnt work
My solution sell the 6950 and stay on your 6870 and when the 7xxx series matures, driver wise, and the 7950 is released buy whatever you want (your psu handles all of them). Or wait for nvidia's upcoming keplar gpus.
His motherboard is the PRO part, it supports sli. One of the conditions to support an sli is 1 give nvidia some $ :P, 2 pci-e split should be x8/x8 at least ;).
yasamoka
AvoK95 wroteThat only needs to be written "Best" , sorry it was a typo
Not all cards bottleneck by an x8 PCIe connector , but most cards will because only half of the speed is being used.
@AvoK95: If the GTX 580 does not bottleneck by PCI-E 2.0 x8, how will most cards bottleneck??
PCI-E 2.0 x8 is used to shuffle data from the system to the graphics card. The graphics card's video memory will take on the hefty loads, hence havings 100s of Gigabytes / second of bandwidth. Check these articles out:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pcie-geforce-gtx-480-x16-x8-x4,2696.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-crossfire-nvidia-sli-multi-gpu,2678.html
EDIT:
@Beej: Are you sure it overclocks? I'm sure it the faster card downclocks to reach the speeds of the slower card. I mean, it makes more sense.
And BTW, love your explanations nowadays :D Infection succeeded :D
AvoK95
@yasamoka
The card doesn't prove the bottleneck , it depends on how much big the card is rendering the picture
yasamoka
AvoK95 wrote@yasamoka
The card doesn't prove the bottleneck , it depends on how much big the card is rendering the picture
What do you mean?
AvoK95
yasamoka wroteAvoK95 wrote@yasamoka
The card doesn't prove the bottleneck , it depends on how much big the card is rendering the picture
What do you mean?
The speed is the determines how much fast the card can render an image, the card will not bottleneck if the image is being rendered on a small 24" screen , but if you render it in a 32" or 40" screen you will notice the difference between having a card running on 8x rather than 16x
shant
recommendation here is to get a single card
reasons: less heat, less space,less power (in some cases)
