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1 x CPU : 3.20 GHz - i3-550 4M/LGA1156 $130.00 p4-i55
2 x RAM : $29.00 4-k6 (Kingston DDR3-1333)
1 x MotherBoard : Intel DH67CL w/VGA+Sound+SATA+Lan&PCI Express (DDR3) (LGA1155) ( NEW VERSION ) $102.00 m-11
1 x GPU : EVGA 01G-P3-1460-KR GTX560 1GB DDR5 Dual w/TV $222.00 PX-49
Power Supply : Thermaltake W0146RE TR2 RX 450W Modular PSU $54.00 z-38
What do you think?
Beej
Wrong cpu my friend. Its a good all around/gaming rig. But the i3 you choose is 1156, its not 1155. Either change the mobo to 1156 or buy an i32100 cpu.
Here you go:
cpu: i3 2100 121$
Motherboard: Intel DH61WW 65$
Ram: same as u choose get 1 stick 4g ddr3 for now and add another one. With this board you can only put 8g so thats your limit, but its way more than enough. 29$
GPU: same. 220$
Psu: same. 54$
Total: 489 add vat and 5$ ship and your total will be 543$s.
What games do you play/want to play? and what is your resolution?
rolf
Get an intel 3.4GHz i7-2600K. It costs over $300 but it's well worth it's price in CPU performance. I don't know how much difference a fast CPU will make in gaming - I know it will surely in things such as encoding and 3D but maybe gaming makes more use of the GPU.
Beej
@ rolf: Indeed a fast quad core will help due to more cache, higher turbo and more cores ( almost every game utilizes more than 2 core but HT is not that common in games). But from his choice of parts am thinking he is more budget oriented.
rolf
True - but it might also be a good investment - not only for the performance, but because the computer can last longer.
rtp
Beej wroteWrong cpu my friend. Its a good all around/gaming rig. But the i3 you choose is 1156, its not 1155. Either change the mobo to 1156 or buy an i32100 cpu.
Here you go:
cpu: i3 2100 121$
Motherboard: Intel DH61WW 65$
Ram: same as u choose get 1 stick 4g ddr3 for now and add another one. With this board you can only put 8g so thats your limit, but its way more than enough. 29$
GPU: same. 220$
Psu: same. 54$
Total: 489 add vat and 5$ ship and your total will be 543$s.
What games do you play/want to play? and what is your resolution?
great advise man with the motherboard and RAM...
but what is the difference between the CPU you mentioned, can you please expand on that?
do I need a more powerful power supply or does 450WAlt do the trick
am not really a heavy gamer... i just want a rig that can play any game i want... i dont care much about resolution...
I was wondering if i need GT560 or can I do with GT550 ?
Beej
Well this i3 is based on new technology by intel. Its part of sandy bridge cpus, so it is faster than the old i3s.
Also with this system you dont need that much of a psu, and the psu you choose have enough power and amps to power the gtx 560.
Also a 550 is a big step down with 560, stay with the 560, it will give you a good game experience for a while.
rolf
Beej
its a good comparison ^. But passmark isnt really the best benchmark when you want to compare cpus interms of gaming.
Here look at this comparison:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/943540-i3-vs-i7-gaming-performance-updated.html
Enjoy...;)
rtp
thanks a lot both for all your help
my final question would be if the 450 power supply is enough for the rig?
Xsever
450W won't cut it for this system.
Get a 650W quality PSU at least.
The less the PSU is loaded, the cooler and longer it will run.
Beej
Yes the psu is sufficient. Since your system will consum almost nothing except for the gpu. But you cannot upgrade on that psu. I mean if you want to upgrade the gpu in the future, this psu will not cut it. But for this system it is.
@ Xsever: He doesnt need a 650w psu to run an i3 with a 560 (non-TI version). Also about the load psu, efficiency is tested when the psu is loaded, now dont get me wrong pushing your psu wattage is bad. But an i3 with 1 stick of ram (even if he upgrades to 2) with a 560 will not draw much power.
If we want to make a theoratical MAX power draw, it would be: 65w cpu (full load wich will never happen unless running stress tests), 150w for the gpu. Fans/hdd/leds..etc will not draw more than 50w.
I say this psu is sufficient and enough for this rig.
rtp
great thanks a lot for all the information
yasamoka
This screams of CPU bottleneck. I don't think you could drive a 560 at full power with a core i3. Trust me on that. You need a quad. Core i5 at least. Second, once you're getting a powerful graphics card, what's another 60$ to spend on at least a core i5 2400? I mean, you can't simply put most of your budget on a graphics card without building a good enough system to receive it. If that was untrue, you would be able to run a GTX 590 on a Pentium 3.
shant
yup,get a 650W one, i had 450W with a 460 (and none overclocked Q6600) and my psu couldn't handle it, so i got 650 and overclocked my processor too
AvoK95
Get a 750W because their isn't much difference in price
Beej
Guys cmon the level of paranoia is getting bigger, sooner or later someone is gona jump and recommend an 1200w psu...
@ Ysamoka: Bottleneck is overrated, yes a quad core is better but not "needed". I am the best example of true bottleneck, runninga 460 @ 812mhz (almost same as the chosen 560) with a dual core e5400. Now thats bottlneck! Yes he will not have the full performance of his gpu, but he will lose what? 4-5 fps? And if a game utelizes 4 cores, his 2 fast cores will be enough to give him a smooth experience, instead of getting 100fps he gets 60-70 (still amazing), and am shooting very high numbers here.
@Shant: again a 560 draws 10w less than a 460, also q6600 power requirements and amps draw is WAY more than an i3 2100...65nm vs 32nm 105w vs 65w. Also your motherbaord needs an 8pin PEG while the motherboard chosen only needs 4pin. Also the ram is 1.5v ram not 1.8+ (needed volts for a 775 board).
Also remember there are two ways to build a pc, either spend alot of money on a pc that can be upgradable/expandable. Or build a pc around the budget, in that case the focus should be on gpu then cpu and never forget the psu.
rolf
Thanks for the info!
I am not so knowledgeable as you seem to be, but I still allow myself to give my opinion. I think a more powerful PSU, if the price difference is not too big (which I don't think is the case) is a good idea.
For the CPU I stand corrected - I also misread your link the 1st time. Yet I think you should not be aiming so low and should have some margins in the components you pick. A budget PC is something - but if you pick a component that fails or creates a bottleneck, then you might not be able to exchange it, and will have to buy a new one... so there goes your time and your budget...
Beej
@ rolf: I understand your point, and you sir are absolutly correct.
You see the problem is that i build alot of pcs, and here in lebanon its all about the budget... And yet they still say "oh badde 2edfa3 kill shaher 400$ upgrade" or " ya 5ayye ma badde 2edfa3 3000$ ha2 pc"... Why? Its because they built a fast pc, for now, since the budget only allows so. If they save and wait a bit more they can get a faster components or a better quality ones.
Myself i aim for overclocking (always), and for me id buy a K cpu 2500 or 2600 with a p67/z68 to allow myself to oc.
But if i am on a very tight budget and i want a fast good pc, this is what i would get.
Xsever
@ Beej
I suggested the 650W because the OP seemed to agree with the fact that he needs to upgrade to an i7 and better motherboard/RAM as suggested by you.
