Have a look at these illegal guys polluting our airwaves with their signals/interference and scamming customers.
802.11 is for indoors home/office use, not to piggy back your illegal enterprise on. I cannot get a clear WiFi signal 20 meters away through 2 walls because of these guys' crap.
Even though I'm not politically aligned with Mr. Harb, but if he can do something about them, more power to him. Just like I supported the previous minister's attempt to crack down on illegal importation of smartphones with questionable origins.


I filtered out home users and legal businesses in the area just by including "03" in the search!"
georgesmh wroteI second vengeance666. They are illegal with really bad service. Stopping them might ruin the business for a lot of people but it won't ruin the whole sector. When you take down all illegal activity and corruption, the sector will grow for sure.
It won't happen. Lebanon's economy is based on those made-up services and fake or illegal jobs. You have the generator guy (they cut electricity to give them business), the illegal cable channels guy, the internet guy, the guy who yells jounieh/jbeil at bus stops, etc...etc...
It wasn't till a decade ago till they stopped people without a red plate from working as taxi drivers and only because this was dangerous.

But yes, I a definitely agree. Illegal activity needs to completely stop in order to spread awareness that legal internet is much better.
nuclearcat wroteFor me more suspicious "Boutros Harb told The Daily Star that his ministry was in the process of drafting a new set of regulations to crackdown on unlicensed Internet providers and those providing illegal international call services that were costing the treasury millions of dollars in lost revenues annually."
I hope he don't want to screw sector completely. Bassil tried that.
That might hurt VISP since you guys have a lot of re-sellers who use their own wireless networks.
Last time I checked VISP is a legal ISP. And lol how can you call them even resellers ? They are "association of internet killers in Lebanon ". And trust me if they go down ( hopefully ) that's going to give VISP better reputation than it already has .
vengeance666 wroteLast time I checked VISP is a legal ISP. And lol how can you call them even resellers ? They are "association of internet killers in Lebanon ". And trust me if they go down ( hopefully ) that's going to give VISP better reputation than it already has .
I didn't say they were illegal (VISP itself is completely legal) nor did I call them resellers. I said they don't own or control the networks their resellers use.
If I understand correctly, VISP is trying to move their customers to DSL to bypass resellers (resellers are your area cable guys who buy VISP accounts and sell them to you).
Just wondering , what happens if I use my modem with cyberia's configuration in another house which already has an ogero dsl connection, will my modem connect to internet and use my quota ? and what about the speed ?
No it won't work since it's associated with the phone number.
Adnan wroteNo it won't work since it's associated with the phone number.
I remember doing this long time ago like 3 years and it worked , I got an ogero modem and it connected in a house with idm dsl
Weird. So if I put the PPoE information of another account in my modem in my house, it will work? I kinda doubt it, otherwise it would be too easy to steal I must say.
Adnan wroteWeird. So if I put the PPoE information of another account in my modem in my house, it will work? I kinda doubt it, otherwise it would be too easy to steal I must say.
I remember doing tests back then , if you connect somewhere with the PPoE info it will disconnect the previous line and connect this one , I guess I will give it a try again when I can to see if it changed.
That would be cool, please post the result when you're done.
Ahmad Toutounji wroteI think he is talking about giving more bandwidth to private isp's that their customers have lower speed than advertised
Call me greedy, but I'd rather have 3.8Mbps of my 4Mbps instead of 3.45Mbps.

100MB/3.45Mbps = 231.9 seconds
100MB/3.8Mbps = 210.5 seconds.
100MB/4Mbps = 200 seconds.

OK that's just 100MB, and the difference from theoric to actual is ~30s, now what if it was 1000MB ? The difference would be 300s.
Just to clarify about illegal.
1)Mostly "illegal" providers cover areas where DSL is not present. Additionally DSL has it's limits, when density of DSL customers inside cable reach some value, crosstalk will kill their SNR figures (read: speed will drop). Also you cut them, you cut internet for huge amount of population.
2)Everybody knows well, when it was only legal ISPs (IDM, Cyberia, Sodetel) - prices in Lebanon was exorbitant, because such things tend to form cartel. Especially in Lebanon.
3)Most of legal providers supply internet for illegal, and they are very happy to sell it them.
4)Anything normal in rest of world can be declared illegal in Lebanon, when it is not suitable for someone with power.
I cannot say Harb doing anything wrong, but i am as usual suspicious when someone declare any sort of fight with "illegal" things. In Lebanon it is almost always becoming "tilting at windmills". What i believe more productive - new developments, not just dropping price, or fighting, but introducing something really new.

And now most important:
Do you guys want to work as rest of world, where ISPs are very lighly regulated, and natural competition drive them to provide better services?
Do you know that in US in rural areas very popular exactly same model that is called "illegal cable providers" here?
The only difference here, that lack of standards and standards enforcement forcing ISPs to do extra spendings, and it makes internet expensive and unreliable.

Right now showstopper for internet is government monopoly and government corruption in this sector. If you would know how much i know, your hair will stand on end.
But i should agree - some regulations should be imposed. "cable providers" should build their networks according standards, for example their frequent outages on lightening storms is just basically because they don't put cables properly and doesn't install grounding and lightening protection where it is required. It is one of numerous examples that should be fixed.
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I am not surprised. I doubt Lebanon has the international the bandwidth to give everyone more than 1 to 2MBits.
Lebanon has it but OGERO refuses to deliver it.
kfc wrote Lebanon has it but OGERO refuses to deliver it.
Well, each bandwidth upgrade needs infrastructure upgrades at Ogero, and it is huge costs for state. So it is not that easy, like they just plug one more fiber.
Add that Ogero are very understaffed, and it is more and more hard for their engineers to keep network stable.
is it possible to get dsl user name and password from ogero?
sailor wroteis it possible to get dsl user name and password from ogero?

You mean PPOE username and password ? If so yes it's easy if you got admin logon credentials for your router.
sailor wroteis it possible to get dsl user name and password from ogero?
I don't think they will give you the account password. what they usually provide is the modem's password.

A few years ago I asked for it, they only gave me my modem's u/p. I had to use a well known hack for the thomson STxxx (i forget the model number, that modem died a while back) to extract the password. I then bought a new modem and set it up myself.
yeah i mean the ppoe user name and password, i want to change my brother thomson router to TP-LINK "W8961ND" i called ogero from there the stupid support guy asked me to go to saida since my brother live in sour to setup my router, when i told him i know how to setup its nothing i just need the ppoe user name and password, he refused to give and said its ogero policy
any idea what i can go
the router is thomson tg585 v7