LebGeeks

hkbazzi

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

hkbazzi man it doesn't matter if you switch to ogero, the base ping on DSL is dependent on the quality of your phone line and the DSLAM router combo.. what makes him get ~65ms is that his line is too good so interleaving is reduced on the line automatically thus lowering his ping by 30 to 40ms so your 105ms figure is very good if your line is weak. geographical location doesn't matter as well only ~5-10ms difference the main thing is the interleaving. from exactly the same place 2Mb from Ogero one of my lines has 65ms to europe the other 100ms the first one has interleaving disabled.

no nothing changes between internet line and phone line cause they are the same,i think the first just has no number attached.

so it doenst matter if i get adsl from ogero cyberia idm its all the same ping, its just based on the quality of my own line?

DNA

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

if you are getting more than 110ms to europe than it DOES matter which isp you choose, but as long as its like 110ms and below nothing will drastically change if you are still on the same phone line

edit: you can test your interleaving latency yourself, just do a "tracert" to any ip and the first hop after your router's ip is mostly due to interleaving so if the number is for example 40ms then of your overall latency around 35ms is because of error correction. post your tracert if you like

Last edited by DNA (April 26 2015)

hkbazzi

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

if you are getting more than 110ms to europe than it DOES matter which isp you choose, but as long as its like 110ms and below nothing will drastically change if you are still on the same phone line

edit: you can test your interleaving latency yourself, just do a "tracert" to any ip and the first hop after your router's ip is mostly due to interleaving so if the number is for example 40ms then of your overall latency around 35ms is because of error correction. post your tracert if you like

ping google.com

Pinging google.com [216.58.210.78] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 216.58.210.78: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.58.210.78: bytes=32 time=456ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.58.210.78: bytes=32 time=473ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.58.210.78: bytes=32 time=142ms TTL=49

Ping statistics for 216.58.210.78:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 142ms, Maximum = 473ms, Average = 309ms

Tracing route to lhr14s24-in-f14.1e100.net [216.58.210.78]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     7 ms    11 ms    11 ms  10.1.1.1
  2    85 ms    87 ms   123 ms  10.2.1.10
  3    86 ms    87 ms    88 ms  10.2.6.254
  4    70 ms   108 ms    77 ms  10.2.6.254
  5    92 ms    77 ms    93 ms  172.16.101.222
  6    82 ms    92 ms    87 ms  192.167.5.5
  7    84 ms    88 ms    87 ms  192.167.5.6
  8    86 ms    88 ms    78 ms  10.40.40.8
  9    84 ms    87 ms    87 ms  rev-212-98-135-121.terra.net.lb [212.98.135.121]

10    82 ms    93 ms    92 ms  172.16.41.17
11   139 ms   152 ms   117 ms  212.73.241.85
12   141 ms   152 ms   142 ms  ae-0-11.bar1.Milan1.Level3.net [4.69.142.189]
13   139 ms   137 ms   138 ms  72.14.243.102
14   130 ms   117 ms   117 ms  216.239.47.128
15   165 ms   142 ms   143 ms  72.14.232.78
16   146 ms   147 ms   148 ms  216.239.40.210
17   151 ms   153 ms   137 ms  216.239.40.216
18   145 ms   162 ms   147 ms  216.239.48.85
19   145 ms   147 ms   148 ms  216.239.51.4
20   141 ms   153 ms   152 ms  72.14.238.185
21   154 ms   158 ms   157 ms  lhr14s24-in-f14.1e100.net [216.58.210.78]

Trace complete.

DNA

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

that's google US server, can you please trace route to hi.fr
and if 10.1.1.1 is your router then you have serious issue 11ms is high ping to the router should be 1ms max 2ms on idle and ping to second hop is insanely high too
please post a tracert to hi.fr and confirm your router ip

Kazouza

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

Here's mine, I'm with ogero.

Tracing route to hi.fr [94.143.220.17]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    82 ms    99 ms    99 ms  dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
  2    53 ms    50 ms    48 ms  77.42.129.79
  3    50 ms    50 ms    50 ms  77.42.129.20
  4    55 ms    58 ms    49 ms  192.168.111.2
  5    97 ms    95 ms    95 ms  212.73.241.85
  6     *      107 ms   104 ms  ae-4-90.edge5.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.154.20
1]
  7     *      104 ms   106 ms  ae-4-90.edge5.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.154.20
1]
  8   108 ms   110 ms   109 ms  be3020.rcr21.fra06.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1
5.193]
  9   110 ms   110 ms   108 ms  be2304.ccr41.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.74
.73]
10   108 ms   107 ms   109 ms  be2259.ccr41.par01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.62
.73]
11   106 ms   109 ms   109 ms  be2471.rcr21.lys01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.4
9.38]
12   114 ms   110 ms   115 ms  te0-0-2-0.rcr11.gnb01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.11
7.48.214]
13   113 ms   114 ms   110 ms  nexthal.demarc.cogentco.com [130.117.21.194]
14   109 ms   108 ms   109 ms  reverse.nexthal.com [94.143.220.17]

Trace complete.

TrollFatGuy

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

Hey guys, could I get any help understanding what this actually means? Treat me like a simpleton please... Still new. Anyways here's mine:
Tracing route to hi.fr [94.143.220.17]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.16.1
  2    37 ms    36 ms    36 ms  192.168.99.10
  3    36 ms    37 ms    36 ms  host-ip66-209-249-89.wise.net.lb [89.249.209.66]
  4    36 ms    35 ms    35 ms  host-ip5-209-249-89.wise.net.lb [89.249.209.5]
  5     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  6    90 ms    92 ms    92 ms  212.73.241.85
  7     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  8     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  9    98 ms    94 ms    94 ms  be3020.rcr21.fra06.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.15.193]
10    97 ms    95 ms    98 ms  be2305.ccr42.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.74.77]
11    95 ms    96 ms    96 ms  be2278.ccr42.par01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.62.77]
12    94 ms    96 ms    95 ms  be2472.rcr21.lys01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.49.122]
13    98 ms    94 ms    96 ms  te0-0-2-0.rcr11.gnb01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.48.214]
14    93 ms   110 ms    95 ms  nexthal.demarc.cogentco.com [130.117.21.194]
15    95 ms    94 ms    97 ms  reverse.nexthal.com [94.143.220.17]

Trace complete.

hkbazzi

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

that's google US server, can you please trace route to hi.fr
and if 10.1.1.1 is your router then you have serious issue 11ms is high ping to the router should be 1ms max 2ms on idle and ping to second hop is insanely high too
please post a tracert to hi.fr and confirm your router ip

This is the ifly from terranet 2mbps,  im getting ADSL im just confused which ISP should i go with.  I really want a good download speed with a bunch of GBs i can do a 60GB limit WITH free night download.  But!!! I play online and i need a better stable ping than my current one (140-150ms) im really intrigued by IDM from what i hear people tell me about it but ping not so much i dont know if its from the people i know or the fact idm is taking from ogero. My options are either
- 2mbps unlimited from ogero (sacrificing speed for ping yet there r games now that demand a 1mbps upload)
- 6mbps 60GB ogero (worrying about every single download i do or how much i play)
- 6mbps 60GB from either idm cyberia etc these guys with free night download (taking the chance of unstable ping and FUP)

So if anyone else can help me out here please do! Everyone's input is much appreciated!

Last edited by hkbazzi (April 28 2015)

random-username

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

that's google US server, can you please trace route to hi.fr
and if 10.1.1.1 is your router then you have serious issue 11ms is high ping to the router should be 1ms max 2ms on idle and ping to second hop is insanely high too
please post a tracert to hi.fr and confirm your router ip

This is the ifly from terranet 2mbps,  im getting ADSL im just confused which ISP should i go with.  I really want a good download speed with a bunch of GBs i can do a 60GB limit WITH free night download.  But!!! I play online and i need a better stable ping than my current one (140-150ms) im really intrigued by IDM from what i hear people tell me about it but ping not so much i dont know if its from the people i know or the fact idm is taking from ogero. My options are either
- 2mbps unlimited from ogero (sacrificing speed for ping yet there r games now that demand a 1mbps upload)
- 6mbps 60GB ogero (worrying about every single download i do or how much i play)
- 6mbps 60GB from either idm cyberia etc these guys with free night download (taking the chance of unstable ping and FUP)

So if anyone else can help me out here please do!

I'm subscribed to Terranet's 8Mbps 60 GB plan and I have no regrets whatsoever. I got the first 2 months for free and had to pay 58$ for the setup. I'm paying 43$ plus tax each month and can freeze my account, change my plan or cancel my subscription anytime I want through their website.

As for the speed and ping, I'm receiving around 6.70 Down and 0.80 Up at 33 ms (Beirut server). My house is really close to the "central" so results may vary for each household. Did I mention that I get free unlimited night traffic from 11:00 pm- 7:00 am.

Customer support is great and they're available 24/7. It took them 6 weeks to hookup my line compared to Ogero's 3 month waiting period.

All in all, I've been their customer for a bit over a year now and haven't encountered any issues yet. I would suggest you take a look at their website and choose whichever ISP suits you best.

DNA

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

hold on guys no point in pointing your route trace, i was just telling him just to confirm the additional latency by error corrections lol.. anyway
@hkbazzi ah i thought it was Dsl ,when i saw the route trace i got confused honestly almost 10 hops within lebanon nearly 100ms. i was gonna say that's the worst ISP you may ever be subscribed to, but now it's clear why.

@kazouza man yours is great although the router is adding almost 10ms for no reason. and 99ms to the router seems like a firmware bug or something. speedtouche aren't that great

@trollfatface man yours is great 3 routers at wise almost same ping that's good actually, the point of asking him to post this is to show him the effect of interleaving .. if you look at your trace you will see <1ms to your router and immediately it jumps to 36ms to second hop that's not because you are "far" from the central or isp.. lebanon is small even if you send a packet from north to south it only should take max 10ms considering all routing delays. so of this 36 ms almost 80% of it is because of error correction if it was disabled you would easily get ~60ms to this france. anyway here mine for reference 8 hops only. this is the perfect scenario to Hi.fr offcourse using Ogero.

  1     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.2.1
  2     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
  3    41 ms    39 ms    40 ms  77.42.129.12
  4    42 ms    41 ms    44 ms  77.42.129.2
  5    40 ms    40 ms    39 ms  192.168.101.2
  6    80 ms    81 ms    81 ms  te0-7-0-1.ccr22.mrs01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.154.5]
  7    84 ms    83 ms    84 ms  be2474.rcr21.lys01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.36.58]
  8    86 ms    85 ms    85 ms  te0-0-2-0.rcr11.gnb01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.48.214]
  9    89 ms    84 ms    84 ms  nexthal.demarc.cogentco.com [130.117.21.194]
10    87 ms    84 ms    85 ms  reverse.nexthal.com [94.143.220.17]

Last edited by DNA (April 29 2015)

TrollFatGuy

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

Thank @DNA for this info! I thought that having fifteen hops was bad and that's why I got interested in the issue. Another question though: do you think the latency would drop for sure if we were to switch completely to fiber optics instead of copper wire? I ask this because it is mentioned on Lebanon's internet page on Wikipedia along with the fact that it should take until 2018 for full implementation. Being a Lebanese citizen, I know that 2018≈2022.But still, I would like to know if it has an effect on latency and how?
P.S. I wish I'd chosen trollfatface as a username... Much nicer than trollfatguy.

Kazouza

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

@kazouza man yours is great although the router is adding almost 10ms for no reason. and 99ms to the router seems like a firmware bug or something. speedtouche aren't that great

What's weird though is that if I ping or trace my router directly, it's at 1ms. Do you think it might be affecting my latency in any way?

Pinging 192.168.1.254 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.254:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms

Tracing route to dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]

Trace complete.

DNA

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

Thank @DNA for this info! I thought that having fifteen hops was bad and that's why I got interested in the issue. Another question though: do you think the latency would drop for sure if we were to switch completely to fiber optics instead of copper wire? I ask this because it is mentioned on Lebanon's internet page on Wikipedia along with the fact that it should take until 2018 for full implementation. Being a Lebanese citizen, I know that 2018≈2022.But still, I would like to know if it has an effect on latency and how?
P.S. I wish I'd chosen trollfatface as a username... Much nicer than trollfatguy.

i am sorry i misread your nickname,but glad you liked it (:
actually as long as the hops are through international ISPs its not that bad.. but if the hops are local through congested cheap links and equipment then it clearly will cause problems.
regarding the switch to fiber, its a guaranteed 30ms ping reduction over dsl..the minimum ping possible to France anyway is ~55ms
even if you could plug the IMEWE directly to your PC you would still get ~45ms.

@kazouza no it's not causing any issues at all, just a weird glitch

i have a question that i hope a member working at an ISP would answer, why is the internet from several ip pools routed through italy and then france and not directly to France through Marseilles.. that's a really terrible route through Sicily whats the reason for that? is it because of cheaper level3 IP blocks?

NAM

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

What's weird though is that if I ping or trace my router directly, it's at 1ms. Do you think it might be affecting my latency in any way?
Tracing route to dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
Trace complete.

Tracing your router is the first hop and it should show 1ms "and that is not a problem" .. latency is measured by "milliseconds (ms)" and most of us have a latency of 100ms to Europe servers .. when you trace a certain site or IP you are looking at how many nodes or hops your connection is passing through before contacting that server .. your latency is affected with how many hops and how far each hop is from each other.
To make it easier imagine that your connection is a taxi .. as you ping to somewhere it will take you through routes and depending on how far and how much traffic there is it will give you a time .. thus the trace will hop to your router first and a 1ms is a good ping

DNA

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

@NAM no man he was talking about the 99ms he got in a previous post,i am sure no one would complain about 1ms lol
it sounds like a firmware glitch , dunno if someone has an explanation to why its showing 99ms if the router is not pinged directly

Last edited by DNA (April 29 2015)

Kazouza

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

@NAM no man he was talking about the 99ms he got in a previous post,i am sure no one would complain about 1ms lol
it sounds like a firmware glitch , dunno if someone has an explanation to why its showing 99ms if the router is not pinged directly

Yep, what he said

hkbazzi

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

can someone please recommend me a good router that has a broadcom chipset and is new?? if possible it has built in SNR tweaking please tell me about some good ones!

BetterGoogleIt

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

Okay guys so I basically don't have dsl and my internet is from the cable guy.
Whenever I ping onto 8.8.8.8, bbc.co.uk, google.com... I get something around 70-90ms which is nice, but when it comes to online gaming, like on EUW servers, I get 300-400, please note that the game (league of legends) isn't so overloading on bandwidth, I once tried it over 3G and it spends 20MB over 30 minutes, let's say it needs 20KBps at least. Well even in the time the download speed goes 500KBps the ping gets worse.
Oh and did I mention that if I open youtube for example (if it opened on this super mega fast internet ..) the ping results stay the same 70-90(on cmd not in the game) ? I know in normal cases it has to rise...
Ty guys I'm just looking for an explanation for this thing, of course I'm not going to talk with my isp directly cause "El problem men el sherke" "Metel ma byeftah 3and ogero byeftah 3enna" "Yalla halla2 bsheflak yeha" "Dawwe w taffe el router".

On a side question: would you recommend any isp with a good service that doesn't require a landline phone?

Last edited by BetterGoogleIt (May 30 2015)

rolf

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

ISPs can filter packets. Ping packets (ICMP) are very small too.
What you call "ping"  in the game is not necessarily ICMP ping so maybe not the same thing, and as I said maybe ISP is slowing down connections to gaming servers.
Bottom line is your connection is slow. For gaming, get a better one.
Not sure you can find one if you can't have DSL. Maybe Wise? (if they still exist)

user

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

I played league of legends on ogero dsl and it made me so mad I almost got a heart attack(lags, disconnects etc...) I deleted the game to keep my sanity.

League of legends has some issues of their own, have you confirmed the problems on other games too?

MrClass

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

Can you try to use VPN and connect to UK? I remember I used to do this when I was in Lebanon and pings got improved. ISPs are fucken assholes, they will filter and throttle traffic; using VPN fucks them back as most traffic is encrypted.

ManOwaRR

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

C:\Windows\system32>tracert hi.fr

Tracing route to hi.fr [94.143.220.17]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    19 ms    99 ms    99 ms  dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
  2    18 ms    26 ms    30 ms  dsl-213-204-70-1.terra.net.lb [213.204.70.1]
  3     9 ms    10 ms     9 ms  172.20.1.10
  4    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  3.gi-0-1.core-6.terra.net.lb [212.98.136.61]
  5    17 ms    11 ms    10 ms  172.16.40.17
  6    49 ms    50 ms    49 ms  te0-7-0-25.ccr22.mrs01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6
.155.29]
  7    56 ms    56 ms    55 ms  be2474.rcr21.lys01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.36
.58]
  8    57 ms    58 ms    57 ms  te0-0-2-0.rcr11.gnb01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.11
7.48.214]
  9    57 ms    57 ms    56 ms  nexthal.demarc.cogentco.com [130.117.21.194]
10    56 ms    56 ms    55 ms  reverse.nexthal.com [94.143.220.17]

Trace complete.

Truepeace

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

I am a WISE subscriber and I have a very stable 2mbit (1.73 actually) with no throttling (maybe torrents during the day) so I am very satisfied and my line stats are good:
                                                Downstream   Upstream    
SNR Margin:                            24.2                   28.2    db
Line Attenuation:                      24.3                  13.5     db
Data Rate:                                2048                 509     kbps
Max Rate:                                 16112               1205     kbps
CRC:                                         0                   0
So the question: I wanna switch from WISE to terranet (2M70) or IDM (2M45) plans (around 25$) mainly because they both have night traffic. So should I consider one and not another or are they the same? (like for fup)   And if I m really good with wise is it a good sign that my central (central Araya) is better than other centrals meaning I shouldn't really worry switching?

Last edited by Truepeace (September 27 2015)

Doom

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

Boutros harb posted on his facebook page the progress of fttx so far.Plus,the photo in the third post shows that vdsl2 should be available around Q1 2016. https://m.facebook.com/BoutrosHarb

vengeance666

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

Boutros harb posted on his facebook page the progress of fttx so far.Plus,the photo in the third post shows that vdsl2 should be available around Q1 2016. https://m.facebook.com/BoutrosHarb

And still we didn't get upgraded from 1 to 2 mbits yet :)

MrClass

Member

Re: Internet Speed and Latency in Lebanon

Hey guys,

I noticed that my Internet speed went down this month. I tried to check on the ADSL router if there is something wrong going on. Noticed this:
                             Downstream    Upstream
SNR Margin:         6.0            22.5    db
Line Attenuation:     46.0            22.0    db
Data Rate:         7368        1023    kbps
Max Rate:         7816        1056    kbps
CRC:             13635        1

Does it mean I have phone line issues?

I used to have a max rate of 11000-12000

The CRC value keeps going up as well.